Prasanna, Ryan and Justin,

Hi. I just got around to playing with Caribou today. Very nice!

I was happy to see you including Immutant config in the application
template, but you don't need it. Immutant will happily bootstrap a deployed
app using the :ring options map in project.clj. As long as you're including
that, the immutant.clj file in the application template is redundant.
Here's more info:
http://immutant.org/builds/LATEST/html-docs/initialization.html#initialization-porting

And I agree removing the immutant dependency in project.clj will greatly
reduce the number of downloaded jars. Technically, you only need that
dependency in project.clj when running *outside* of the Immutant container,
e.g. when your tests refer to the immutant namespaces.

The only other Immutant-related feedback I might offer is wrt the assets
dir, "app/". Relative paths like that are only gonna work if you start up
Immutant in your project's directory, so in production you'll likely want
that to be an absolute path.

I especially like the project's name. It reminds me of the Pixies song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6m-pwWCDKU

Thanks!
Jim


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Ryan Spangler <ryan.spang...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Justin,
>
> As far as I know, Immutant is not a dependency, but an option.  Let me
> know if that is not true however.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:13:17 PM UTC-8, Justin Smith wrote:
>>
>> Typically my first step making a caribou app is to remove the immutant
>> dependency. It's pretty straightforward to take it out.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:19:27 PM UTC-8, Prasanna Gautam wrote:
>>>
>>> This is really cool. Very easy to get up and running for first try. I
>>> have a few questions on the architecture.
>>>
>>> Why Immutant instead of plain ring as the default? I think the number of
>>> dependencies could be much lower with it.
>>>
>>> I know it's only alpha.. but I'm asking this on behalf of others who
>>> might be thinking the same.
>>> And, are there plans for NoSQL database support, like MongoDB, MapDB (
>>> http://www.mapdb.org/ - I just found out about it myself but this is
>>> the only decent in-memory NoSQL solution other than Berkeley DB)?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:52:10 PM UTC-5, Ryan Spangler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Clojure,
>>>>
>>>> Excited to announce today the release of Caribou!
>>>> http://let-caribou.in/
>>>>
>>>> We have been building web sites and web applications with it for over
>>>> two years now and improving it every day.  Currently we have four people
>>>> working on it and another ten using it to build things, so it is getting a
>>>> lot of real world testing.
>>>>
>>>> It has been designed as a collection of independent libraries that
>>>> could each be useful on their own, but which come together as a meaningful
>>>> whole.
>>>>
>>>> We have been spending the last couple months getting it ready for a
>>>> full open source release, and I am happy to say it is finally ready.
>>>>  Funded and supported by Instrument in Portland, OR:
>>>> http://weareinstrument.com/  We have four projects using it in
>>>> production, and several more about to be launched (as well as over a dozen
>>>> internal things).
>>>>
>>>> Documentation is here:  http://caribou.github.io/
>>>> caribou/docs/outline.html
>>>>
>>>> Source is here:  http://github.com/caribou/caribou (use this for
>>>> issues, you don't actually need the source as it is installed through a
>>>> lein template).
>>>>
>>>> Some of the independently useful libraries Caribou is built on are:
>>>>
>>>> * Polaris -- Routing with data (not macros) and reverse routing! :
>>>> https://github.com/caribou/polaris
>>>> * Lichen -- Image resizing to and from s3 or on disk:
>>>> https://github.com/caribou/lichen
>>>> * Schmetterling -- Debugging Clojure processes from the browser:
>>>> https://github.com/prismofeverything/schmetterling
>>>> * Antlers -- Useful extensions to mustache templating (helpers and
>>>> blocks, among other things):  https://github.com/caribou/antlers
>>>> * Groundhog -- Replay http requests: https://github.com/
>>>> noisesmith/groundhog
>>>>
>>>> And many others.
>>>>
>>>> Basically this is an Alpha release, and I am announcing it here first
>>>> in order to get as much feedback from the community as possible.  We have
>>>> made it as useful as we can for our purposes and recognize that for it to
>>>> improve from here, we really need as many people using it and building
>>>> things with it as possible.  The documentation also needs to be put through
>>>> its paces:  we need to see how well people are able to use it who know
>>>> nothing about it, based only on the existing docs.
>>>>
>>>> All feedback welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for reading!  I hope you find it useful.
>>>>
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