Justin,

As far as I know, Immutant is not a dependency, but an option.  Let me know 
if that is not true however.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:13:17 PM UTC-8, Justin Smith wrote:
>
> Typically my first step making a caribou app is to remove the immutant 
> dependency. It's pretty straightforward to take it out.
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:19:27 PM UTC-8, Prasanna Gautam wrote:
>>
>> This is really cool. Very easy to get up and running for first try. I 
>> have a few questions on the architecture.
>>
>> Why Immutant instead of plain ring as the default? I think the number of 
>> dependencies could be much lower with it. 
>>
>> I know it's only alpha.. but I'm asking this on behalf of others who 
>> might be thinking the same.
>> And, are there plans for NoSQL database support, like MongoDB, MapDB (
>> http://www.mapdb.org/ - I just found out about it myself but this is the 
>> only decent in-memory NoSQL solution other than Berkeley DB)?
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:52:10 PM UTC-5, Ryan Spangler wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Clojure,
>>>
>>> Excited to announce today the release of Caribou!  
>>> http://let-caribou.in/
>>>
>>> We have been building web sites and web applications with it for over 
>>> two years now and improving it every day.  Currently we have four people 
>>> working on it and another ten using it to build things, so it is getting a 
>>> lot of real world testing.
>>>
>>> It has been designed as a collection of independent libraries that could 
>>> each be useful on their own, but which come together as a meaningful whole.
>>>
>>> We have been spending the last couple months getting it ready for a full 
>>> open source release, and I am happy to say it is finally ready.  Funded and 
>>> supported by Instrument in Portland, OR:  http://weareinstrument.com/ We 
>>> have four projects using it in production, and several more about to be 
>>> launched (as well as over a dozen internal things).
>>>
>>> Documentation is here:  
>>> http://caribou.github.io/caribou/docs/outline.html
>>>
>>> Source is here:  http://github.com/caribou/caribou (use this for 
>>> issues, you don't actually need the source as it is installed through a 
>>> lein template).
>>>
>>> Some of the independently useful libraries Caribou is built on are:
>>>
>>> * Polaris -- Routing with data (not macros) and reverse routing! :  
>>> https://github.com/caribou/polaris
>>> * Lichen -- Image resizing to and from s3 or on disk: 
>>> https://github.com/caribou/lichen
>>> * Schmetterling -- Debugging Clojure processes from the browser:  
>>> https://github.com/prismofeverything/schmetterling
>>> * Antlers -- Useful extensions to mustache templating (helpers and 
>>> blocks, among other things):  https://github.com/caribou/antlers
>>> * Groundhog -- Replay http requests: 
>>> https://github.com/noisesmith/groundhog
>>>
>>> And many others.
>>>
>>> Basically this is an Alpha release, and I am announcing it here first in 
>>> order to get as much feedback from the community as possible.  We have made 
>>> it as useful as we can for our purposes and recognize that for it to 
>>> improve from here, we really need as many people using it and building 
>>> things with it as possible.  The documentation also needs to be put through 
>>> its paces:  we need to see how well people are able to use it who know 
>>> nothing about it, based only on the existing docs.
>>>
>>> All feedback welcome!  
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading!  I hope you find it useful.
>>>
>>

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