Looks like I forgot to enable the paging file (windows virtual memory was disabled) and that is why my eclipse/firefox would crash when running out of memory and also had much eclipse.ini memory allocated -Xms228m -Xmx712m ; and because of all these I was unable to start repl most of the time in ccw due to not enough memory(it said), so due to your comment (thank you), I've fixed those and set -Xms128m -Xmx512m but will probably go back to 712 (it's ok now since I've the paging file); but the memory total is like 3.5gig since 512 is eaten by video card memory.
So now at least I can run them without running out of memory all the time :) but they still use quite a lot and I found myself having to run lein commands (like lein test) and restarting repls enough times for it to make me want something else - but I am an odd ball, so it's not something everyone else will do. Honestly I really want a system where things are more accessible, unfortunately I can't explain this (i'll try if u really want me to) for example I really enjoyed the F3 in eclipse on java source code which would do Go to Definition/Declaration (of this identifier), and also the find all calls to this method in this project and the refactoring... this kind of connectivity I'd expect to be in the system (from what I've read some Lisp machines(?) or the lisp lang on some machines really have that was it Genera ? and some read about Dynamic Windows but I also remember something vaguely about ruby - haven't used it though). In a more broader way, I want to be able to explore/deduce the system without having to jump through hoops like googling for information about it, when in fact I already have it running on my system, why not just explore its construction live while it's running, visualize all its connections (like in a graph) I like this clojure lang because it gets me closer to the way I want things to be, but it feels all so disconnected like I can't feel that when writing some code I can just easily F3 on a symbol and see where else it was used or even defined(sometimes this works in ccw btw ie. for clojure core code) So far, I'm thinking maybe code something from assembler level up (maybe even not requiring garbage collector but still not using explicit mem allocations like malloc) so it will eventually become a replacement for whatever I use for text editor, and if it does the way I think it will, I can then store all kinds of information and advance it even to the next level... but there's all these barrier with transactions and locks but this functional programming idea might be pretty good to apply(even though I envisioned a system where everything would be global(ly accessible) restrictions can still apply in dependency style like A depends on B and C depends on B, so if I want to change B then the way A and C depend on B have to be satisfied before the change can occur or that change will have to include changes to A and/or C also). Sorry for the rant, it's just that i feel lost so far(and not very knowledgeable). I just imagine how awesome it would be to can explore a system (PC+OS+java+clojure+some window+some text+some word on it) of which say you know nothing of, from a point (any point you choose) and be able to understand it and see how everything interconnects to everything else (no data/level/layer stripped just like the .exe is without the sourcecode for example), because everything you need is there, visually explorable(maybe graph like) and even changeable, if you just need to know exactly how is some word(or even a pixel) on the screen connected to everything else for example you could dig in - I don't know how it would look and how to implement that so far, but i know I want it, and apparently I'm reluctant to accepting the status quo even though that's the only way to get there :/ It can still be fast even though all the debug info (so to speak) and source code is tagged/connected to the binary code/offsets I imagine. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Mikera <mike.r.anderson...@gmail.com>wrote: > On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 20:35:01 UTC+8, atkaaz wrote: > >> thank you very much, my search has lead me to seeking a lisp that could >> compile to machine code (mainly because i cannot accept the 20-22 sec `lein >> repl` startup time and eclipse/ccw memory consumptions - so I was hoping >> for something fast even though the cost is portability and all else) >> >> > The above strikes me as a slightly odd statement. Eclipse/CCW or lein repl > startup times should be irrelevant because you should only be incurring > them once, when starting a development session. Sure, Eclipse eats memory > too, but again this is only a development time issue and your dev machine > should have plenty, right? > > In production, running the packaged .jar file should be pretty quick and > much more lightweight. JVM startup is less than 0.1sec nowadays, so you can > get a splash screen or basic GUI up in front of a user almost immediately. > That only leaves the time required to compile and initialise Clojure itself > and your application code - maybe 5 secs or so for a reasonably sized app. > If you are smart you can do quite a lot of work lazily / in the background > so the user doesn't even notice.... > > I can certainly see some uses for a Clojure-to-assembler compiler, but > only in very specialised areas (embedded devices, realtime systems etc.). > For general purpose application development I think it's probably going to > be more trouble than it is worth. > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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