Honestly I find myself missing S-Expressions in other languages now. The structure they provide is extremely useful in my opinion - especially when writing macros.
Also, syntax is only one of the many facets of Clojure - if all the benefits and features Clojure provides doesn't cut it for newcomers, I doubt a python-like syntax will do. In the end, Syntax is just that. Syntax. People get over it. (Even thought I still think S-Expressions ARE a feature.) In the end, have newcomers program in a bastardised version of lisp/clojure to only then have them deal with S-Expressions misses the entire point. my 2c. Cheers, Leonardo Borges www.leonardoborges.com On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Mikhail Kryshen <mikh...@kryshen.net> wrote: > The problem of readability of S-expressions has been discussed since the > beginnings of Lisp. > > Some known alternative notations: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-expression > http://readable.sourceforge.net/ > > > On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:01:30 +0200 > Sergey Didenko <sergey.dide...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> For us as Clojure community it is easy to see how Clojure benefits >> from being a Lisp. Homoiconity, extreme conciseness, esoteric look and >> feel, etc. >> >> However it is hard to see from the inside how Clojure as ecosystem >> (probably) suffer from being a Lisp. Please don't throw rotten eggs at >> me, I mean only the part of Lisp that is ... parentheses. >> >> I remember a number of people that mention parentheses as obstacles to >> the wider Clojure adoption, in the Clojure space - in the Clojure >> related discussions, even on this mailing list IIRC. >> >> But the number of people thinking this way outside the Clojure groups >> is even bigger! We probably don't notice it because got immune to this >> famous argument "it has too many parentheses" early when diving into >> Clojure. >> >> I suggest there are a big number of people that could gain interest in >> clojure if we provide them with parentheses-lite Clojure syntax. For >> example we can steal Python way of intending blocks. >> >> For example the following quicksort implementation >> >> (defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >> (when pivot >> (let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >> (lazy-cat (qsort (filter smaller xs)) >> [pivot] >> (qsort (remove smaller xs)))))) >> >> could be written as >> >> (set! python-style-op-op true) >> >> defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >> when pivot >> let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >> lazy-cat >> qsort >> filter smaller xs >> [pivot] >> qsort >> remove smaller xs >> >> What do you think? >> >> Isn't is less complex? >> >> >> P.S. Ok, I must confess, the mention of the C-Word in the last >> sentence was just a desperate way to get Rich's attention. >> >> P.P.S. Actually I would also love to see Clojure community making >> video clip "Clojure - Python Style" as a remix for "G... Style", but >> this idea is probably way ahead of its time. >> >> >> Regards, Sergey. > > Mikhail > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
