Though the Clojure community has traditionally gone with smaller libraries 
rather than large frameworks, there is a full-stack web framework for 
Clojure called Conjure: https://github.com/macourtney/Conjure


On Friday, January 11, 2013 11:52:05 AM UTC-5, Paul Umbers wrote:
>
> I've been experimenting with Clojure web services recently, and posting 
> the work on GitHub <https://github.com/3rddog/doitnow> and my 
> blog<http://internistic.blogspot.ca/search/label/clojure>
> .
>
> When putting this test app together, it occurred to me that most other 
> languages have a full-stack API available which makes life easier when it 
> comes to making decisions about which libraries/APIs/frameworks to use. It 
> also reduces the possibility of "impedance mismatch" between the libraries. 
> For Java, you can use Spring (or any one of a dozen or more other popular 
> frameworks), for Scala there's Typesafe, and so on. Clojure has Compojure, 
> Ring, several logging, validation and database libraries, and they can be 
> used together but they don't constitute a coordinated full stack - and that 
> creates issues.
>
> For example, the latest vesion of Compojure (1.1.3) uses Ring 1.1.5 and 
> not the latest version of Ring (1.1.6) which has significantly better util 
> functions available - but I can't use them until Compojure catches up. By 
> the time you add logging, validation, data access, etc the odds of a 
> mismatch between these libraries goes up dramatically.
>
> This is a concern, because these mismatches must be worked around in *my*code 
> and are likely to break as the libraries are upgraded in future 
> versions. So, I'm having to spend my time maintaining what are essentially 
> "patches" for third-party libraries just so that they work together.
>
> Now, it may not be the best decision to try to put together a true 
> full-stack framework from scratch, but is it worth choosing a bunch of 
> existing frameworks and coordinating their releases - in much the same way 
> as Eclipse coordinates plugin releases for major releases - so that putting 
> together a full-stack app becomes easier?
>
> Projects taking part in the "meta-project" will work together to harmonize 
> their functionality & APIs, and coordinate their development cycles & 
> releases so that the meta-framework remains consistent and easily usable.
>
> Is this another barrier to adoption the Clojure community can remove? Is 
> this even a barrier? Am I missing something?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> [Also posted to http://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure]
>  

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