<comments directed to me> Fair enough.
It would be great if Clojure tools were as mature as Java's Eclipse or IntelliJ, but hey, Java's been around for 15 years. Probably unrealistic to expect more. Perhaps we can look forward to tools created by you. On Mar 28, 10:32 pm, ultranewb <pineapple.l...@yahoo.com> wrote: > <<This won't get you a corporate job though. I've been writing > lisp code for 40 years and I can't find anyone willing to hire > me for my lisp skills.... > > Tim Daly > Elder of the Internet>> > > It's okay. I couldn't get hired as a C programmer for NASA years ago, > and I had already written my own working C compiler! The idiot > interviewer opened some huge C library reference manual to some random > page, and asked me to recite whatever function he had the page opened > to from memory. Of course I couldn't do that, and explained to him > that this wasn't important, that any decent programmer would simply do > what he was doing (open up the reference manual, look up the function, > and be using that function within a minute). But of course idiots > will be idiots. > > Either way, if you are in the USA (don't know if you are or aren't), > these days corporations just hire Indians on H1-B visas, or they just > outsource the work over to there. So you don't have a shot anyway. > > <<Jon Seltzer > > While I agree that clear steps should be provided to assist > newcomers, > I don't have sympathy for newcomers more interested in bashing other > languages and people than in actually learning something.>> > > Note sure if this was directed at me or not, but the only language > I've bashed is Java. I won't apologize for that, though, so if it > offended you, tough ;-) > > <<I started learning clojure over a year ago and I don't recall any > issues getting started. I fired up a REPL almost immediately.>> > > I've stated at the top that I could get REPLs without difficulty. > > <<Frankly, I'm a little annoyed by people who want to blame everyone > else if something new is not immediately obvious to them.>> > > Don't know why you feel as if you or your "tribe" is being attacked. > I'm not "blaming" anyone or anything, I created a thread on "what > worked, what didn't" as a resource for 1) newbs interested in trying > Clojure (I wish I had this resource from the get-go), and 2) as > feedback for whatever Clojure people are out there who are making > tools and IDEs or who are concerned with the newbie newcomer > situation. As to #2, my thread already seemed to help the ClojureW > guy make an improvement in a bug I found. > > If you aren't in group 1 or group 2, don't feel the need to hang out > in this thread and feel so annoyed or attacked if you don't want. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
