Yes, the issue isn't Clojure at all, it's Java.  At any rate, thanks
for feeling my pain.


On Mar 23, 8:59 pm, Timothy Baldridge <tbaldri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:11 AM, ultranewb <pineapple.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I'll be damned - this worked.  Really, there needs to be some
> > prominent, easily-accessible guides for just dumb, ultra-basic stuff
> > like this.  I'm talking guides that assume the user has no knowledge
> > of anything except "programming" and "editing" (I mean, I don't even
> > know what the heck a "jar" file is).   And these guides need to be
> > linked right at the front page of the Clojure site.
>
> > Anyway, thanks.
>
> If it helps, I feel your pain. I bought books on Clojure, read
> everything I could, and it still took me 8 months of on and off again
> trials till I finally understood how it worked. Part of the issue is
> Java, imo. The whole java class path thing is very annoying. I think I
> got python up and running on my box in a matter of minutes. C# has
> such a nice IDE that it's super-simple to start programming in that.
> Even Ruby has excellent instructions on how to get started.
>
> Clojure on the other hand has it's own way of doing things, and when
> it can't resolve something it looks to Java, and from there Java tries
> to find libs and symbols and if it can't, it just blows up with some
> cryptic Java exception. Yeah...that's the down-side of working with a
> language that sits on the JVM.
>
> </rant>
>
> Don't get me wrong, I love Clojure, but the learning curve can be steep.
>
> Timothy

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