On 21 November 2010 19:01, Ken Wesson <kwess...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Tim Visher <tim.vis...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Glen Stampoultzis <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Also, I think the Clojure logo is copyrighted so permission might need to >>> be obtained to reuse it. >> >> I think you're right. Any thoughts from anyone who has the right to >> say so as to whether or not the logo would be ok to use? > > Are you sure it's not simply trademarked? It's not infringing to use a > trademark as long as you're using it to refer to the real McCoy and > not implying the trademark holder endorses your product. Third party > addons often use trademarks in their advertising: "This > baldness-resistant tire works with all 1997-and-later GM car and light > truck models", etc. As long as they don't claim (and the trademark > isn't itself) some sort of seal of approval from GM, this is legal. > (Of course it's also legal if they actually *have* GM's seal of > approval.)
I asked Rich about this and he does NOT allow the use of the Clojure logo or a logo derived from it for anything other than referring to Clojure the language. While I'm a little disappointed by this, I can understand and appreciate his wishes. Here is what he said: "The Clojure logo should only ever be used, intact, to refer to the Clojure language. All other uses are prohibited. You can't use the Clojure logo to promote something else (i.e. your games site). I would stay away from trying to convey a relationship to Clojure via any similarity to the Clojure logo. I can't comment on the trademark implications of making a similar logo, but you are better off creating something original." > > I would not think that using the Clojure logo to accurately identify > that something is associated in some way, shape, or form with Clojure > (while avoiding making any false claims of being officially endorsed > by Rich Hickey) would be trademark infringement. This was what I was thinking when I made the original logo. Its the same way as Ruby related sites/libraries/products make use of the gem logo, for example, and I believe it helps the community by making it easy to distinguish between Clojure-related and non-related things easily. Having said that, I also understand the flip side of the coin: using the logo to profit in some way. I imagine making that distinction could become pretty difficult and I imagine that's what Rich wishes to avoid. > > If it's actually *copyrighted* you may want to look into the copyright > license. One hopes it's a fairly liberal CC license or even an > outright copyleft but you never know. That's what I thought (hoped), but I guess not? I suggested to Rich that this be clearly clarified on the clojure.org website so that in the future people will know what they can and cannot do. In any case, I will be removing the current Clojure Games logo shortly and will be open to suggestions for a replacement. I have some ideas, but would welcome the communities input. That brings me to another issue - I would like to avoid other licensing issues for the site, so I suggest that we put a disclaimer on the ClojureGames.org homepage outlining what license everything is released under. My suggestion would be as follows, though I'd like to hear what others think: All code and games posted (or linked in a Github Gist) is released under the BSD license (unless otherwise stated on the specific wiki page). All linked libraries, code and games (eg, external blog posts or Github repositories) are (obviously) licensed under the authors terms (which are hopefully displayed on the linked to page) All text (articles, tutorials etc) and images (logos, art for games, screenshots) are released under the Creative Commons license (unless otherwise stated on the specific wiki page). Sound good to everyone? Regards, Dan. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
