Sorry all -- I think my original message went slightly awry. The announcement was a shock and quickly followed by waves of grumbling from devs I follow on Twitter. While it's easy to extrapolate the future from Oracle's past and this announcement, it's not necessarily useful or accurate to do so. I never suspected Clojure to be in any mid-term jeopardy. But it did seem like a good opportunity to stoke the CinC and CLR topics and see if there was a big change in the level of interest. Apparently not, and that's probably prudent.
That said, I personally am now more interested in better CLR support for Clojure. While it's not a strength of mine, I'm sure I will find some way to contribute to that. Sorry again for any off topic churning, and here's hoping the JVM will continue to be a good place for Clojure to be for quite some time. Seth On Aug 13, 4:06 pm, Mike Meyer <mwm-keyword-googlegroups. 620...@mired.org> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 23:08:40 +0400 > > Mikhail Kryshen <mikh...@kryshen.net> wrote: > > > I doubt it is possible to create runtime like JVM or CLR without patent > > problems. > > Given that virtual machine technology "like"(1) the JVM and CLR have > been around since the 70s - long before even C++ ++ -- was a gleam in > Gosling's eye - I'm pretty sure it's possible to create a runtime > "like" the JVM or CLR that has no insurmountable patent > problems. Sure, Oracle can create problems for anyone implementing a > VM by suing them, but if you started with something like either the > UCSD P-Machine VM or a SmallTalk VM (Squeak, maybe?) - which Gosling > cites as inspirations for the JVM (2) - such suits are clearly > baseless, as the technology is obviously prior art. So it can't > infringe the patent, only invalidate it. > > <mike > > *) This all depends on exactly what you mean by "like". Gosling and > the Java group at Sun are sharp people, I'm sure they added ideas that > were patentable, and probably even worth granting a patent to. If > "like" includes "having patented feature foo", then foo may be missing > from the VMs that are prior art, so they aren't "like" JVM or CLR. But > just having a portable VM also qualifies as "like" JVM in some sense. > > 1)http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1017013 > -- > Mike Meyer <m...@mired.org> http://www.mired.org/consulting.html > Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. > > O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail -www.asciiribbon.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
