Thanks Markus, yes, I intentionally wanted to keep it "decoupled from any particular editor". I had two goals in writing CDT.
The immediate goal was to provide a better tool for debugging exceptions, which was harder than it should be in Clojure. The longer term goal was to expose the JDI to Clojure in a way that allows us all to experiment with, to really provide a debugger toolkit, little building blocks that we can all assemble in our own ways until we find the best debugging patterns that work for Clojure, patterns that we can share with each other without worrying about which IDE we are using. I think debugging Clojure is a unique beast and the standard line by line step and break paradigm isn't sufficient. I wanted a toolkit that allows me to easily throw together debugger extensions that are Clojure specific. For example, with the building blocks CDT provides, I think it would be fairly easy to write a function that returns a seq of all the locals in all of the threads. You could then filter through that seq to find the ones that are holding the head of a lazy seq. I doubt you could do that with any other debugger, and certainly not easily. CDT is actually a hackable debugger. Anyway, back to your point, I've found tool discussions often become marginalized because they are tied to a specific IDE/platform so only users of that platform can participate intelligently. By leaving it "decoupled", I'm hoping to provide a level playing field where we can all share ideas. The downside of course is it is much less user-friendly than one that is actually integrated with an IDE. It's certainly not going to solve "Clojure's n00b attraction problem" ;) On Jul 6, 11:30 pm, mac <markus.gustavs...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Laurent, this looks very cool. > It's great that you are making it a text/repl interface because that > means it's decoupled from any particular editor and can easily be used > as a base for gui debuggers in different editors and IDEs. > > /Markus > > On Jul 7, 7:39 am, George Jahad <cloj...@blackbirdsystems.net> wrote: > > > Thanks for the heads up, (and for the compliment,) Laurent. I should > > have checked it out more carefully beforehand. I'm probably going to > > leave it as it is for now, until I see how much interest there is. > > > As you may have suspected, I'm an Emacs user and so don't know much > > about Eclipse. But I know you put a lot of work into > > CounterClockwise, and our community is lucky to have you! > > > On Jul 6, 1:21 am, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Oh, and btw, impressive work ! :) > > > > 2010/7/6 Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Hi George, > > > > > a quick word concerning the name: FYI, CDT, in the Eclipse world, in a > > > > name taken a long time ago to mean "C/C++ Development Tools". Make > > > > what you want with this info :) > > > > > 2010/7/6 George Jahad <cloj...@blackbirdsystems.net>: > > > >> My experiment with the JDI: > > > > >>http://georgejahad.com/clojure/cdt.html > > > > >> -- > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > >> Groups "Clojure" group. > > > >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > > >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient > > > >> with your first post. > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
