> are not necessarily idiots, Ooof.. bad choice of words there on my part, it was in jest and I did not mean literal "idiots". :-p
On Jun 30, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Greg wrote: >> However, I don't see it helping newcomers to Clojure significantly > > With respect, I'm a newcomer to Clojure, and the CLOJURE_HOME convention > would help me significantly. :-) > > I think something that needs to be acknowledged is that "newcomers" and > "n00bs" are not necessarily idiots, they're just new to the platform, and > they're coming from places where, as Brian pointed, they're used to there > being a central location for things (PYTHON_HOME, ANT_HOME, etc.). > >> Lieningen or maven don't really fit with this approach as they treat >> the clojure platform as just another library dependency. > > Yet Maven has a MAVEN_HOME. :-) > > Even if Leiningen/Maven ignore CLOJURE_HOME, that's fine, it certainly > doesn't hurt to adopt CLOJURE_HOME as a convention for scripts that currently > hard-code clojure.jar's location, or download it themselves, wasting space > and adding confusion. When that happens it's hard to know what version of > Clojure these scripts are running, and it makes it unwieldy then to interface > it with your own code. A problem, I think, that doesn't just affect newcomers > to Clojure. > >> and I'm not sure this is something we should really try and hide. > > CLOJURE_HOME doesn't hide anything, it's set by the user after all. > > Cheers, > Greg > > On Jun 30, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Rick Moynihan wrote: > >> On 30 June 2010 21:14, Brian Schlining <bschlin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> May I propose as a possible remedy CLOJURE_HOME. CLOJURE_HOME is the >>>>> absolute path of a directory containing clojure.jar and possibly >>>>> clojure-contrib.jar. Scripts should check if it's defined and use it >>>>> instead >>>>> of hard-coded paths, as an example, here's my clj script (in newLISP): >>>> >>>> On the face of it this seems like a good idea, however it doesn't >>>> really fit with the models used by tools such as leiningen, mvn or the >>>> JVM. At best a CLOJURE_HOME initiative can only expect to work within >>>> its own world of clj scripts etc. >>> >>> I can't speak for leiningen but many (most?) launcher script in the Java >>> world use this as a standard convention. If you look through the launcher >>> scripts for maven, groovy, scala, ant, etc you will see environment >>> variables JAVA_HOME, M2_HOME (for Maven 2), GROOVY_HOME, SCALA_HOME and >>> ANT_HOME. >> >> This is true. And I agree that where scripts are used this technique >> can be useful. And in this regard it's a good convention. >> >> However, I don't see it helping newcomers to Clojure significantly, as >> the classpath issues people face are the deeper issue. Also teaching >> newcomers that this is the convention isn't really true, as tools like >> Lieningen or maven don't really fit with this approach as they treat >> the clojure platform as just another library dependency. >> >> Clojure doesn't yet have a standard launch script. In the past I've >> argued that it'd be nice if it had one, though I now feel lein/mvn are >> better tools for this job. That said, having a clj launch script can >> be useful, and might ease the out of box experience, but again the >> true launcher will always be the java JVM executable, and I'm not sure >> this is something we should really try and hide. >> >> R. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your >> first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
