On 30 June 2010 22:44, Steve Molitor <stevemoli...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> the true launcher will always be the java JVM executable, and I'm >>> not sure this is something we should really try and hide. > > I think it should be hidden, at least for newbies. Maven hides it - I > invoke 'mvn' and have no idea how it invokes java. I don't know what jars > it puts in the classpath, etc., and I don't need to know. Lein hides it too > and I like that. > > Ideally a clojure installation package would include lein and a launcher > that utilized lein for clojure-contrib.jar etc.
Yes, and this is what I've been trying to argue all along... that lein, with its simplified classpath management/jvm options is probably the best option for beginners. My point about the JVM being the true launcher, is more that I don't think it's Clojure's responsibility to try and dictate how the VM is invoked, by a script or otherwise. There are many ways to invoke Clojure (lein, mvn, nailgun, shell script, java -cp, java -jar etc... from inside a java program etc... ) though confusing, each has its own merits. And new users will soon need to understand whats going on underneath. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a "preferred route" for newcomers to play with Clojure and have this taken care of for them; I just think Clojure itself should ship without it, with the only assumption being it's a jar on the classpath. R. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
