Hi Chris, Thanks! I will check out the mentioned resources. Just to be clear, the only language I know well is Stata. I am still a very new to python, so I don't have any baggage to take with me as I have not invested enough time. Given I am philosophically convinced of the long term benefits of Clojure from talks, my only apprehension was whether I will be able to do most things in Clojure as in Python. But my interest, in programming is not limited to data science/ML...I am potentially interested in building apps (web/desktop, etc) for potential future projects in education, health etc.. On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 8:39:06 PM UTC+3 ch...@techascent.com wrote:
> There are hybrid options available in the form of > https://github.com/clj-python/libpython-clj -- I am one of the primary > authors of this tool. > > One pathway perhaps is to use clojure to do your scraping and > orchestration (and frontend display) and just use python from command line > scripts to do some ml. > > For Clojure and data science there is SciCloj: https://scicloj.github.io/ > > My opinion is that learning Clojure independent of data science is a > worthy and substantial task - functional programming, the JVM, Java, > Clojurescript, Reagent are all pretty big subjects. libpython-clj has a > new-to-clojure > <https://github.com/clj-python/libpython-clj/blob/master/docs/new-to-clojure.md> > > page that lists some resources for helping with this. > > Happy to help more and really happy to see new people. I think Gary's > response is spot on and just wanted to elaborate that we have tools that > are specifically designed for helping people transition from Python to > Clojure without needing to walk away from their Python knowledge base. > > Chris > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:08 AM Baye <sows...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Got it. Thanks again for your time! >> >> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 8:05:32 PM UTC+3 Gary Trakhman wrote: >> >>> Not only the language and the techniques you intend to apply, but the >>> larger language and library ecosystem. For most people, Clojure is best >>> used when you >>> have familiarity with the JVM and existing java core libraries and >>> 3rd-party libraries, and some IDE/editor environment with enough features >>> to be productive, but >>> those are extra things to learn. Something like Scheme/Racket used for >>> SICP is a great teaching language because all those decisions are made for >>> you and >>> you can focus on the abstract content in the book instead of getting >>> bogged down in tooling. >>> >>> As for data-science/ML, it has good tools, it's just not the most widely >>> used language by data scientists. >>> Check out Clojure for data science: >>> https://www.amazon.com/Clojure-Data-Science-Henry-Garner/dp/1784397180 >>> >>> For the most part, I'd expect production-scale data science tools to >>> wrap java ones with a better/clojurey interface. >>> There's some other tools I'm not familiar with, eg >>> https://github.com/originrose/cortex, but there are definitely people >>> doing data science in clojure. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:55 PM Soule S <sows...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for your insight. By " learning more than one thing at a >>>> time", do you mean data science/ML and the language itself? If so, then I >>>> want to clarify, I have a solid foundation in data science; I am trained >>>> in >>>> the most advanced topics in econometrics (Statistics). My apprehension is >>>> mainly whether closure has good tools to do those. I know Python does. >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:40 PM Gary Trakhman <gary.t...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Clojure is a fine language to learn on, but there are going to be some >>>>> complex details along the way. I think there are 2 approaches >>>>> to entry into programming that you might consider. >>>>> >>>>> You can start with the basic fundamentals of computation and work up >>>>> into software engineering. For that, clojure is >>>>> very similar to a teaching language, 'scheme', and people can work >>>>> through books like SICP: >>>>> https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/book/book.html >>>>> >>>>> with it. >>>>> If you follow that strategy, you'll eventually have a good foundation >>>>> of understanding to build on, but it might not feel very useful in the >>>>> first year. >>>>> >>>>> Another strategy is to hack up small demos of individual techniques, >>>>> like numerical methodologies or data visualizations. This would go more >>>>> along the data-science/ML track. While it can be done in clojure and >>>>> there are books on the topic, you might have an easier time in python >>>>> if you're going down that path. >>>>> >>>>> I would say if you start with clojure, you're going to be learning >>>>> more than one thing at a time and the learning curve is steeper. Whether >>>>> that's worth the cost depends on your goals and market conditions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:13 PM Baye <sows...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am new to programming. I have started to learn C++ and even some >>>>>> python >>>>>> My background is Economics. I have strong quantitative background >>>>>> (Math and Econ) and I know STATA. >>>>>> >>>>>> In general, I would like to use programming >>>>>> (1) for ML/AI in economics topics+other utilities such as webcraping, >>>>>> and other data driven analyses >>>>>> (2) for it, fintech matchmaking platforms >>>>>> >>>>>> In particular, I just recently discovered I love programming. I am >>>>>> old (35) as a beginner but I have set a goal to become a fully capable >>>>>> programmer by 40...Hopefully I can learn 2 languages well enough by then. >>>>>> >>>>>> If jobs opportunities are present then, I can switch careers although >>>>>> I still like my career path. I could always use my programming skills >>>>>> for >>>>>> either my job, a start up, or become a full fledge prgrammer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Online research has led me to think that Clojure might be an >>>>>> excellent language to focus on because they say it is an excellent for >>>>>> rapid development (If I want to use it for a start up, lone developer), >>>>>> data-driven (econ and ML), and provide a path to be a great programmer. >>>>>> >>>>>> My Apprehension is that Clojure doesn't seem widely used so might >>>>>> issues with doing ML projects with few libraries (compare to Python for >>>>>> ex), and future job prospects, etc... >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, I welcome any insights/advice, tips. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>> Baye >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>>> with your first post. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/10bd1d68-78f9-472b-8de3-5be96f6804a7n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/10bd1d68-78f9-472b-8de3-5be96f6804a7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>> with your first post. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/dbYOgLKDGv4/unsubscribe. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAJvqBXgPpyPvDdjRNzbL-%2Bqjj-CFxYg%3D0ypSX5--iqFemH%3D-7w%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAJvqBXgPpyPvDdjRNzbL-%2Bqjj-CFxYg%3D0ypSX5--iqFemH%3D-7w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAKbuZvmqikY7DByRagFvOEKd5P74XCQnEP%2B2C9uDYULPS3CMZQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAKbuZvmqikY7DByRagFvOEKd5P74XCQnEP%2B2C9uDYULPS3CMZQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/207f4333-27c7-41e8-b807-d03a4ff8d2edn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/207f4333-27c7-41e8-b807-d03a4ff8d2edn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/82141286-5368-4c68-b330-7514801897a4n%40googlegroups.com.
