On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 22:08 -0700, Dennis Peterson wrote: > On 4/21/10 10:06 PM, Eric Rostetter wrote: > > Quoting Jim Preston <jimli...@commspeed.net>: > > > >>> Read what I said. *functional* not security. Like, for example, php is > >>> at 5.2.6 on lenny, unless you configure is differently. That's the whole > >>> point of releases. > > > > There are distros that release functional (feature) upgrades as well > > as security/bug upgrades... Just as there are ones that don't. > > > > Most distros will provide: > > Show me the contract. > > dp
This is just going round in circles. The vast majority ( I'm sure! ) of non-hobbyist linux users will install debian lenny or ubuntu LTS or CentOS 5 on their VPS using a single click ( for example ) for whatever reason. It'll be a default install, probably with apt / yum running automagically to install security upgrades... minimal maintenance effort. Who's the sysadmin? The one who drew the short straw, usually by asking 'who does the backups?' or something similar, and also usually have about -10 hours a week available to perform this function. These are the people who need looking after, not a career sysadmin like me ( and you IIRC Dennis? ) who do keep up to date. We've heard of debian volatile, and building from scratch isn't scary at all, but that sort of thing is way beyond this majority. This is what I'm saying. It's a practical appraisal - how it's been working for the last 5-10 years - not a legal or academic one. I reckon that - another example - a patch to freshclam to convert new to old database format would have kept everyone happy ( no functional change there: it's just acquiring new sigs ), keeps the effort on the client servers, and lenny, etc would have kept on running until end of life. There will always be edge conditions if you want the exception to prove the rule. Personally I'd like to see the masses catered for. And sure, maybe I'm being clever after the fact, and should have joined in. However, after 4 years fighting spam I am just so over it. Sorry ): Steve -- Steve Holdoway <st...@greengecko.co.nz> http://www.greengecko.co.nz MSN: st...@greengecko.co.nz Skype: sholdowa
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