On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Brian Johnson wrote:

So are you actually saying that DPI is a bad thing relative to server
protection? What makes this a bad idea? In what way does it make them
more vulnerable to attacks?

DPI <> firewalls.

My experience with crafted packet attacks (being attacked, not attacking
others :P) tells me that this is a good layer of protection.

Concur.  Again, it has nothing to do with stateful firewalls.


<sarcasm> What Arbor product would you like to sell me to accomplish
this type of protection?</sarcasm>

I publicly held this position when I worked for the world's largest vendor of stateful firewalls. My position was based upon operational experience then, as now.

In this threat, I stated that enforcing policy should be handled by stateless ACLs in hardware. Arbor Networks doesn't make routers.

Not trying to be snide here (at least not anymore ;P), but I doubt that
the majority of CFOs would be fine leaving their servers behind simple
ACLs. I would never do that

That's because you, like your hypothetical CFOs, obviously have no experience running large-scale public-facing Internet properties. Any large-scale, publicly-visible Web site you can name doesn't have stateful firewalls in front of its servers.

For a server like a DNS server, a Web server, and so forth, every connection which comes into said server is by definition unsolicited. So, the entire purpose of stateful inspection in front of such servers is moot.

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