Welcome to Cinelerra. :)  It provides a fascinating and ultimately very
productive way of working when you get used to its quirks, so stick with
it!

Yeah, the whole fields/NTSC/Ahhh! thing can be quite maddening.  Usually
you have to spend a day or two just rendering out simple tests to figure
out exactly how to manipulate them in a new program.

For your specific problem, I'd recommend de-interlacing (try the
Deinterlace filter, and also the Frames to Fields to see what looks best
on your footage), then applying any other effects.  That's the rule
anyway; de-interlace if you apply any "pixel-shifting" effects.  If the
de-interlace filter and the whirl don't behave well together, just render
out the de-interlaced section and import it back in place.

I've heard that Cinelerra doesn't deal particularly well with progressive
and interlaced footage in the same timeline, so you might have to end up
de-interlacing all of your footage.  Don't know for sure.

Let me know if I've missed a part of your question. :)


-=Derek


> Hello everybody,
>
> I am just discovering cinelerra and made my first DVD.
>
> To my shock, at the end of the process I discovered that I used
> "bottom field first" which is not very good for NTSC standard.
> Likely I have saved the xml files of all the steps so simply
> re-running all of them with the field order changed should not
> be very hard. Unfortunatelly, I have discovered that the whirl
> video effect does not work well with the top field order. It producess
> a black "wave" at the bottom of the screen if large whirl angles are
> used. I do not quite understand the possible connection between
> the effect and the field order, but maybe it is fixable somehow...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> ZF
>
>
>
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