To add to Joel's point,
I can do my own catX cable runs and connect sockets/plugs to the cables, but I
lack the tools for fiber-splicing... as cool as that would be it is going to be
hard to justify multi-100s EUR for a splicer.. That still leaves short distance
in the main computing area of an appartment/house, but I doubt that many
consumers have a concentration high enough to justify the costs even there.
What I do see over here in Europe, with FTTH-roll out speeding up, is CPE that
offer SFP/SFP+ cages for the WAN side though, SFP+ becoming more common since
ISPs started to deploy XGS-PON (gross 10Gpbs bidirectionally, after FEC ~8.5
Gbps).
Regards
Sebastian
P.S.: I have not started jumping on the 2.5 Gbps or higher train just yet, none
of my devices seems massively underserved with just 1Gbps yet (with the
potential exception of a single link where >= 2Gbps would be nice since I am
one cabe short and >2Gbps would allow to multiplex two 1Gbps connections over
that cable).
> On Dec 16, 2021, at 22:57, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <j...@aenertia.net> wrote:
>
> Yes but as much as I like fibre; it's too fragile for the average household
> structured cabling real world use case. Not to mention nothing consumwe comes
> with SFP+ in the home space.
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 10:43 am David Lang, <da...@lang.hm> wrote:
> another valuable featur of fiber for home use is that fiber can't contribute
> to
> ground loops the way that copper cables can.
>
> and for the paranoid (like me :-) ) fiber also means that any electrical
> disaster that happens to one end won't propgate through and fry other
> equipment
>
> David Lang
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, David P. Reed wrote:
>
> > Thanks, That's good to know...The whole SFP+ adapter concept has seemed to
> > me to be a "tweener" in hardware design space. Too many failure points.
> > That said, I like fiber's properties as a medium for distances.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 2:31pm, "Joel Wirāmu Pauling"
> > <j...@aenertia.net> said:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Heat issues you mention with UTP are gone; with the [ 803.bz ](
> > http://803.bz ) stuff (i.e Base-N).
> > It was mostly due to the 10G-Base-T spec being old and out of line with the
> > SFP+ spec ; which led to higher power consumption than SFP+ cages were
> > rated to draw and aforementioned heat problems; this is not a problem with
> > newer kit.
> > It went away with the move to smaller silicon processes and now UTP based
> > 10G in the home devices are more common and don't suffer from the fragility
> > issues of the earlier copper based 10G spec. The AQC chipsets were the
> > first to introduce it but most other vendors have finally picked it up
> > after 5 years or feet dragging.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:16 AM David P. Reed <[ dpr...@deepplum.com ](
> > mailto:dpr...@deepplum.com )> wrote:
> > Yes, it's very cheap and getting cheaper.
> >
> > Since its price fell to the point I thought was cheap, my home has a 10
> > GigE fiber backbone, 2 switches in my main centers of computers, lots of 10
> > GigE NICs in servers, and even dual 10 GigE adapters in a Thunderbolt 3
> > external adapter for my primary desktop, which is a Skull Canyon NUC.
> >
> > I strongly recommend people use fiber and sfp+ DAC cabling because twisted
> > pair, while cheaper, actually is problematic at speeds above 1 Gig - mostly
> > due to power and heat.
> >
> > BTW, it's worth pointing out that USB 3.1 can handle 10 Gb/sec, too, and
> > USB-C connectors and cables can carry Thunderbolt at higher rates. Those
> > adapters are REALLY CHEAP. There's nothing inherently different about the
> > electronics, if anything, USB 3.1 is more complicate logic than the
> > ethernet MAC.
> >
> > So the reason 10 GigE is still far more expensive than USB 3.1 is mainly
> > market volume - if 10 GigE were a consumer product, not a datacenter
> > product, you'd think it would already be as cheap as USB 3.1 in computers
> > and switches.
> >
> > Since DOCSIS can support up to 5 Gb/s, I think, when will Internet Access
> > Providers start offering "Cable Modems" that support customers who want
> > more than "a full Gig"? Given all the current DOCSIS 3 CMTS's etc. out
> > there, it's just a configuration change.
> >
> > So when will consumer "routers" support 5 Gig, 10 Gig?
> >
> > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 11:20am, "Dave Taht" <[ dave.t...@gmail.com
> > ]( mailto:dave.t...@gmail.com )> said:
> >
> >
> >
> >> has really got cheap.
> >>
> >> [ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter ](
> >> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter )
> >>
> >> On the other hand users are reporting issues with actually using
> >> 2.5ghz cable with this router in particular, halving the achieved rate
> >> by negotiating 2.5gbit vs negotiating 1gbit.
> >>
> >> [ https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 ](
> >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 )
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> I tried to build a better future, a few times:
> >> [ https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org ](
> >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org )
> >>
> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list
> >> [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ](
> >> mailto:Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net )
> >> [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ](
> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel )
> >> _______________________________________________
> > Cerowrt-devel mailing list
> > [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ](
> > mailto:Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net )
> > [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ](
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel
> > )_______________________________________________
> Cerowrt-devel mailing list
> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel
> _______________________________________________
> Cerowrt-devel mailing list
> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel
_______________________________________________
Cerowrt-devel mailing list
Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel
