Yes but as much as I like fibre; it's too fragile for the average household structured cabling real world use case. Not to mention nothing consumwe comes with SFP+ in the home space.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 10:43 am David Lang, <da...@lang.hm> wrote: > another valuable featur of fiber for home use is that fiber can't > contribute to > ground loops the way that copper cables can. > > and for the paranoid (like me :-) ) fiber also means that any electrical > disaster that happens to one end won't propgate through and fry other > equipment > > David Lang > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, David P. Reed wrote: > > > Thanks, That's good to know...The whole SFP+ adapter concept has seemed > to me to be a "tweener" in hardware design space. Too many failure points. > That said, I like fiber's properties as a medium for distances. > > > > > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 2:31pm, "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" < > j...@aenertia.net> said: > > > > > > > > > > Heat issues you mention with UTP are gone; with the [ 803.bz ]( > http://803.bz ) stuff (i.e Base-N). > > It was mostly due to the 10G-Base-T spec being old and out of line with > the SFP+ spec ; which led to higher power consumption than SFP+ cages were > rated to draw and aforementioned heat problems; this is not a problem with > newer kit. > > It went away with the move to smaller silicon processes and now UTP > based 10G in the home devices are more common and don't suffer from the > fragility issues of the earlier copper based 10G spec. The AQC chipsets > were the first to introduce it but most other vendors have finally picked > it up after 5 years or feet dragging. > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:16 AM David P. Reed <[ dpr...@deepplum.com ]( > mailto:dpr...@deepplum.com )> wrote: > > Yes, it's very cheap and getting cheaper. > > > > Since its price fell to the point I thought was cheap, my home has a 10 > GigE fiber backbone, 2 switches in my main centers of computers, lots of 10 > GigE NICs in servers, and even dual 10 GigE adapters in a Thunderbolt 3 > external adapter for my primary desktop, which is a Skull Canyon NUC. > > > > I strongly recommend people use fiber and sfp+ DAC cabling because > twisted pair, while cheaper, actually is problematic at speeds above 1 Gig > - mostly due to power and heat. > > > > BTW, it's worth pointing out that USB 3.1 can handle 10 Gb/sec, too, and > USB-C connectors and cables can carry Thunderbolt at higher rates. Those > adapters are REALLY CHEAP. There's nothing inherently different about the > electronics, if anything, USB 3.1 is more complicate logic than the > ethernet MAC. > > > > So the reason 10 GigE is still far more expensive than USB 3.1 is mainly > market volume - if 10 GigE were a consumer product, not a datacenter > product, you'd think it would already be as cheap as USB 3.1 in computers > and switches. > > > > Since DOCSIS can support up to 5 Gb/s, I think, when will Internet > Access Providers start offering "Cable Modems" that support customers who > want more than "a full Gig"? Given all the current DOCSIS 3 CMTS's etc. out > there, it's just a configuration change. > > > > So when will consumer "routers" support 5 Gig, 10 Gig? > > > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 11:20am, "Dave Taht" <[ > dave.t...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dave.t...@gmail.com )> said: > > > > > > > >> has really got cheap. > >> > >> [ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter ]( > https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter ) > >> > >> On the other hand users are reporting issues with actually using > >> 2.5ghz cable with this router in particular, halving the achieved rate > >> by negotiating 2.5gbit vs negotiating 1gbit. > >> > >> [ https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 ]( > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 ) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > >> [ https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org ]( > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org ) > >> > >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list > >> [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ]( mailto: > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ) > >> [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ]( > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ) > >> _______________________________________________ > > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > > [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ]( mailto: > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ) > > [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ]( > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > )_______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >
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