Thanks Eugen + Frédéric for the hints,
currently I am still fishing for reasons - but it seems that the osd has been removed, but the 'purge' did not finish completely.

ceph -s is just doing scrubs:

# ceph -s
  cluster:
    id:     e776dd57-7fc6-11ee-9f23-9bb83aca7b4b
    health: HEALTH_OK
            (muted: OSD_UNREACHABLE)

  services:
    mon: 5 daemons, quorum aadm01,aadm02,aadm03,aadm05,aadm04 (age 5d)
mgr: aadm01.itfgjw(active, since 2d), standbys: aadm02.qlitor, aadm05.nbigji
    mds: 2/2 daemons up, 2 standby
    osd: 1449 osds: 1446 up (since 3d), 1446 in (since 5d)
    rgw: 2 daemons active (2 hosts, 1 zones)

  data:
    volumes: 1/1 healthy
    pools:   11 pools, 16641 pgs
    objects: 2.23G objects, 7.0 PiB
    usage:   8.9 PiB used, 16 PiB / 25 PiB avail
    pgs:     16604 active+clean
             30    active+clean+scrubbing+deep
             7     active+clean+scrubbing

  io:
    client:   1.8 MiB/s rd, 84 MiB/s wr, 1.68k op/s rd, 2.67k op/s wr

The mgr logs do not show any errors - I just see it trying repeatedly to dispatch the osd removal:

Jun 30 17:39:26 aadm01 bash[1966]: debug 2025-06-30T15:39:26.833+0000 7f1a0e46e640 0 log_channel(audit) log [INF] : from='mgr.108447605 ' entity='mgr.aadm01.itfgjw' cmd=[{"prefix": "osd destroy-actual", "id": 406, "yes_i_really_mean_it": true}]: dispatch

Looking at the cephadm logs I see:

2025-06-30T15:39:26.836933+0000 mgr.aadm01.itfgjw (mgr.108447605) 368120 : cephadm [INF] Daemon osd.406 on acn07 was already removed 2025-06-30T15:39:26.839850+0000 mgr.aadm01.itfgjw (mgr.108447605) 368121 : cephadm [INF] Successfully destroyed old osd.406 on acn07; ready for replacement

And ater stopping the removal and trying to reissue it I get:

# ceph orch osd rm stop 406
Stopped OSD(s) removal

# ceph orch osd rm 406 --replace --force
Unable to find OSDs: ['406']

So it seems that it was finished, but somehow did not finish cleanly.

An 'ceph osd status' shows
406 0 0 0 0 0 0 destroyed,exists

for osd.406.

I will try to continue with the disk replacement and see where and if any more 'manual' intervention is needed for this.

Regards,
Holger

On 30.06.25 11:32, Frédéric Nass wrote:
Hi Holger,

In addition to Eugen's sound advice, I would try restarting the OSD in question.

If that doesn't help, I would stop the current deletion process 'ceph orch osd 
rm stop 406' and restart it 'ceph orch osd rm 406 --force'. As for the 
orchestrator logs, you can use the command 'ceph log last 1000 debug cephadm' 
and also check for any errors in ceph log files on host 'acn07'.

Regards,
Frédéric.

----- Le 28 Juin 25, à 19:53, Eugen Block ebl...@nde.ag a écrit :

Can you show the overall cluster status (ceph -s)? If there's
something else going on, it might block (some?) operations. And I'd
scan the mgr logs, maybe in debug mode to see why it fails to operate
properly.

Zitat von Holger Naundorf <naund...@rz.uni-kiel.de>:

On 27.06.25 14:16, Eugen Block wrote:


Zitat von Holger Naundorf <naund...@rz.uni-kiel.de>:

Hello,
title should of course be
  "orchestrator behaving strangely"

I did give a mgr restart another try (for the last OSD removal -
which also did not work - I did already restart the mgr without
effect)

there is no (immediate- i.e after ~10min) effect now as well - or
should I reissue the OSD rm command as well?

Is there something in the queue (ceph orch osd rm status)?
Sometimes the queue clears after a mgr restart, so it might be
necessary to restart the rm command as well.

There is just the one 'waiting for purge' osd in the queue:

root@aadm01:~# ceph orch osd rm status
OSD  HOST   STATE                    PGS  REPLACE  FORCE  ZAP
DRAIN STARTED AT
406  acn07  done, waiting for purge    0  True     False  True
2025-06-25 09:18:07.650734+00:00

One more datapoint:

This is an OSD on a lage, rotational disk. The orchestrator is still
working ok for a subet of OSDs on SSDs. We are just moving our SSD
pool around and for this it was no problem using 'ceph orch osd rm
...' - with the difference that there we used --zap and not
--replace (as we do not want to replace the disk, but to move the
OSD away from this host).

Regards,
Holger




Regards,
Holger


On 27.06.25 12:26, Eugen Block wrote:
Hi,

have you retried it after restarting/failing the mgr?

ceph mgr fail

Quite often this (still) helps.

Zitat von Holger Naundorf <naund...@rz.uni-kiel.de>:

Hello,
we are running a ceph cluster at version:

ceph version 19.2.2 (0eceb0defba60152a8182f7bd87d164b639885b8)
squid (stable)

and since a few weeks the orchestrator started to misbehave - up
to now we could not identify any root cause, so I am fishing in
the community to see if there are any hints.

Problems:

An OSD removal (for disk replacement) gets stuck in the 'purge' step:

ceph orch osd rm 406 --replace

root@aadm01:~# ceph orch osd rm status
OSD  HOST   STATE                    PGS  REPLACE  FORCE  ZAP
DRAIN STARTED AT
406  acn07  done, waiting for purge    0  True     False  True
2025-06-25 09:18:07.650734+00:00

(now for more than 24h in this state)

At the same time the orchestrator is not restarting OSD daemons
- i.e. an 'ceph orch daemon restart osd.xxx' claims its queuing
uo the restart, but it never happens. Other services continue to
be controlled correctly via 'ceph orch ...'

If anyone has an idea where to poke around or can match this to
some known problem - I would appreciate any pointers.


Regards,
Holger

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