> On Apr 13, 2025, at 12:00 PM, Brendon Baumgartner <bren...@netcal.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2025, at 10:13, gagan tiwari <gagan.tiw...@mathisys-india.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anthony,
>>                        We will be using Samsung SSD 870 QVO 8TB disks on
>> all OSD servers.
> 
> I’m a newbie to ceph and I have a 4 node cluster and it doesn’t have a lot of 
> users so downtime is easily scheduled for tinkering. I started with consumer 
> SSDs (SATA/NVMEs) because they were free and lying around. Performance was 
> bad. Then just the NVMEs, still bad. Then enterprise SSDs, still bad 
> (relative to DAS anyway).

Real enteprise SSDs?  Enterprise NVMe not enterprise SATA? Sellers can lie 
sometimes.  Also be sure to update firmware to the latest, that can make a 
substantial difference.

Other factors include:

* Enough hosts and OSDs.  Three hosts with one OSD each aren’t going to deliver 
a great experience
* At least 6GB of available physmem per NVMe OSD
* How you measure - a 1K QD1 fsync workload is going to be more demanding than 
a buffered 64K QD32 workload.

> 
> Each step on the journey to enterprise SSDs made things faster. The problem 
> with the consumer stuff is the latency. Enterprise SSDs are 0-2ms. Consumer 
> SSDs are 15-300ms. As you can see, the latency difference is significant.

Some client SSDs are “DRAMless”, they don’t use ~~ 1GB of onboard RAM per 1TB 
of capacity as the LBA indirection table.  This can be a substantial issue for 
enterprise workloads.


> 
> So from my experience, I would say ceph is very slow in general compared to 
> DAS. You need all the help you can get.
> 
> If you want to use the consumer stuff, I would recommend to make a slow tier 
> (2nd pool with a different policy). Or I suppose just expect it to be slow in 
> general. I still have my consumer drives installed, just configured as a 2nd 
> tier which is unused right now because we have an old JBOD for 2nd tier that 
> is much faster.

How much drives in each?

> 
> Good luck!
> 
> _BB
> 
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