Eugene? Most people that are named Eugene (or Eugen in German) are descendands of russian people or russians...and named Jewegeny. :-)
Excellent is ...wrong, starting at the point that the eniac should be the first electronic calculator, it wasn't. There are more faults. The cause for the lag in computing technology in the east is simple: the planned economy, not the decision to use one or another memory technology. The CMEA decided to build computer components in countries w/o any experience in HiTec, as an example it was forbidden to produce magnet tapes in the GDR (cars with 4 cycle engines too and more than 100HP was forbidden too), tapes and disks should be produced in bulgaria..for all of the CMEA countries. What do you expect then to come out? Regards, Holm W2HX via cctalk wrote: > This is an excellent video on the history of Soviet computing and the causes > of their lagging behind the west. I cannot comment on the accuracy since I am > no expert in this subject. But a very interesting and informative video. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8 > > 73 Eugene W2HX > Subscribe to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/w2hx-channel/videos > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Rice via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 7:52 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Cc: Joshua Rice <ric...@btinternet.com> > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Holm Tiffe via cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Cc: "Holm Tiffe" <h...@freibergnet.de> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 Oct, 2022 At 08:45 > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones > Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: > Hi all, > After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the > (perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the > Soviets. > I’m aware that there was a lot of QBUS/LSI PDP-11 clones, and depite poor > documentation, there is significant evidence of PDP-8 clones. Also, depite > not strictly a “PDP”, the VAX series was also cloned. > However, i’m curious whether anyone has any evidence of either the 18-bit or > 36-bit PDP machines being cloned? I imagine that given the rather lacklustre > success of the 18-bit series, that there would have been less demand for an > 18-bit PDP machine in the Soviet Union, but i find it quite hard to believe > that no attempt to clone the PDP-6 and > PDP-10 machines would have been attempted. > Does anyone here have any information on such clones? > Cheers, > Josh Rice > Josh, it seems to be difficult for any "western" guy to belive that russians > or the "warshaw pakt countries" where able to develop ther own systems of > computers, that's simply wrong. > > > Hi, > > I apologise for any misunderstanding. By "clone", i didn't exactly mean a > 1-to-1 copy, but more a reimplementation. Much like the term "IBM PC clone" > is still used to describe non-IBM-derived PC designs. > > I understand that the eastern european countries can and di design their own > machines, but it's undeniable that the Soviet leaders deemed it more valuable > to copy western designs than design their own domestic architectures from > scratch. There was also plenty of designs that were literal "clones", down to > the silicon gates. > > Cheers, Josh > -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Goethestrasse 15, 09569 Oederan, USt-Id: DE253710583 i...@tsht.de Fax +49 37292 709779 Tel +49 37292 709778 Mobil: 0172 8790 741
