Yep! You can absolutely punch straight binary to tape. There is an escape, the details escape me but are enshrined in my silly network attached paper tape program:
https://github.com/emooreatx/FANUC-PPR -Eric On Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 12:43 PM Martin Bishop < mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com> wrote: > Eric > > Thanks for confirmation the reader should “just work”. Unfortunately it > does not ... > > One other specific : can the PPR punch absolute binary tapes, e.g. for a > PDP-11, one potential use. Or, is it limited to “alpha numeric” ASCII. > Using the native controller, I can’t see any way of geting it to punch e.g. > DC1 .. DC4, they control the logic and are absorbed prior to the punch. Is > there an escape sequence ? > > The reader does not want to cal: > - the procedure is in the PPR Operators manual [B-54584E/01 p 47-48] > - the tape is a loop of U* with even parity, taken from ano Fanuc manual > [see my 10 1314A Apr 21] > - the tape feeds, but none of the indications illuminate : 50/60 Hz, > sprocket signal, channel signal > - beyond my doing it incorrectly (tried a few times), I would wonder if > either lamp or optos are kaput > > Consequently, signal tracing to / from the reader looks the way to go, and > the place to start is probably the sprocket opto. A job for another > "weekend", preferably with the circuits to hand - although I have seen no > sign of any. > > Martin > > From: Eric Moore [mailto:mooreeric...@gmail.com] > Sent: 10 April 2022 17:23 > To: Martin Bishop <mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com> > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Fanuc PPR - Paper Tape Punch, Printer and Reader : Not quite > working > > Yep! That is my experience in remote mode, both driven via the panel or > remotely. > > You know more than I do, I hope you get it figured out soon! The PPR is > super fun to have on the bench if you have tapes to read or especially if > you have a computer that works with paper tape. > > -Eric > > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 4:44 AM Martin Bishop < > mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com> wrote: > Hi Eric > > I have a pair of light boxes and a CRO on the job: > - Modular Technology MT25-IV on the PPR side, > - BlackBox TS50A on the D-9 side, > - CRO on p2 & p3 > > This unit says it takes and is receiving 220V power > > I can see codes going to the unit, but nothing coming out – stuck at > logical zero (-7.5 V) > > I could start to believe that the RS232 driver may have an issue > > It sounds as though your experience is feed tape and out come the octets ? > > Martin > From: Eric Moore [mailto:mooreeric...@gmail.com] > Sent: 10 April 2022 02:01 > To: Martin Bishop <mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com> > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Fanuc PPR - Paper Tape Punch, Printer and Reader : Not quite > working > > Hi Martin, do you have an RS232 light box like this one? > > RS232 Breakout Tester LED Monitor, DB9 Male to Female Breakout Module > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CDQ76Q8/ > > I am so confused why you are not seeing anything, I have had 3 PPRs (2 > bartered away) and never had any issues except a broken punch pin and one > needing 220V power. > > -Eric > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 7:18 PM Martin Bishop < > mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com> wrote: > Eric > > Thank you for the manual and the suggestion of pulling all the jumpers. > With all but jumper 1 out, it punches and remote starts (Xon) the reader at > 4800 8N1; unchanged functionality. However, still, nothing is emitted from > the 232 for consumption by Putty. > > Unfortunately, the SystemP manual contains identical pages on the PPR to > those in the PPR’s own manual. Nonetheless useful as context, and for > perusal in slow time. > > Martin > > From: Eric Moore [mailto:mooreeric...@gmail.com] > Sent: 10 April 2022 00:09 > To: Martin Bishop <mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com>; General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Fanuc PPR - Paper Tape Punch, Printer and Reader : Not quite > working > > > http://vtda.org/docs/computing/FANUC/B-54111E-02_FANUC_System_P_Model_G_Operators_1983.pdf > > Here you are, I knew I scanned the manual. This has all the jumper > settings, and instructions on local vs remote modes. > > -Eric > > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 5:50 PM Eric Moore <mooreeric...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Martin, I use the PPR for all kinds of paper tape shennanigans. > > https://youtu.be/hGr0F9a7x1A > > Remove all but the first jumper, and that may help with your issues. I > found at one point the jumper settings, but will need to search. > > -Eric > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 4:56 PM Martin Bishop via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > A nicely made yellow box with a rather poor manual - both lost in > translation and limited in scope. > > Working on setting one to work, but can't get anything out of the serial > port. In drives the punch, and the punched data verifies (based on a QL). > In also drives the printer, although somewhat garbled, perhaps due to BCD > coding or perhaps due to invalid parity (which is configured as no check). > The reader 'reads' tape both in response to X/ON over RS232 and in response > to front panel keys. However, nothing is emitted onto 232. The D25 - D-9 > transition has all the RTS/CTS and DSR/DTR/DCD lines knitted appropriately > and indicating 'correctly' on blinkenlites. Interestingly, on long test > tapes the reader does not fall off the end but stops, repeatably after ~49" > which is remarkably close to 512 octets. Finally, the CNC termination > octets : % (ASCII) and 0x80 (BCD : RS-244) don't seem to impress the reader > - nothing changes. > > Specific queries: > - Are there any magic control codes or handshaking rituals to coax data > out of the reader > - Is the PPR to CNC Controller interface protocol manual available as pdf > - Where can I find drawings for the PPR's electronics, most importantly > the main board (with its 8031) > - Suggestions on how to proceed with setting to work / fault diagnosis > - Has anyone house trained one of these to read PDP-11 absolute binary > tapes, their target market was G code (text) > > Martin >
