On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:11 PM jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > > On 12/28/2020 2:25 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 23:12, Bill Degnan via cctalk > > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I have noticed the same email addresses' messages routinely end up in > the > >> spam folder of gmail. > > I have 2 nested folders (labels/tags/whatever) in Gmail: > > classiccmp/talk and classiccmp/tech. In my rule which filters messages > > into those folders, I ticked the box that says never to send messages > > matching the filter to spam. > > > > Problem solved. > > > Googles filters are garbage. Problem not solved. I still get plenty of > spam markings by Google with the headers or something about the traffic. > > I get multiple messages that fail the filter rule (same as yours) which > stay in the inbox as well. > > The only filtering system that's worked (so far) is the one in > Thunderbird. Also with the flow into Thunderbird, I don't use any spam > filters, and never see any cctalk/tech messages left behind. > > Useless data, in early days when there was unlimited email storage I > thought I'd be clever and subscribe on both my gmail account and my > personal alias for cctalk. Didn't work out that way because so much > screwing up by google. > > thanks > Jim > I do this for a living so I am speaking professionally here. It's not about filters it's about server to server authentication. There is a best practice for "mail serving" authentication, DNS, encryption and the like. The old days when messages were simply scanned for spam phrases is long over. The greylisting and all that is old fashioned. If your mail server does not follow the modern best practices your message will accumulate enough strikes against it to cause it to be marked as spam. On the receiving end one can filter messages "out of spam" but that's an after the fact local software thing.. It does not solve the reason / issue causing the need to have filters in the first place. This is why fewer and fewer private mail servers are still running. They can't keep up with all of the required protocols. It's a bummer but it's the way it is. The commercialization of the web is a done deal. Bill
