> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:18 PM, John Forecast <j...@forecast.name> wrote:
>
>
>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 7:29 AM, william degnan <billdeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Mark Matlock <m...@matlockfamily.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 11:19 PM, william degnan <billdeg...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> I am curious to see what OS's run on an 11/40 without the EIS card
>>> other
>>>>> than RT-11. I am researching this. I have always wanted to learn more
>>>>> about batch-11.
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> It may be that some flavors of RSX-11/M or /S can be built with no EIS,
>>> since it's supposed to be possible to build a non-MMU version at least of
>>> /S. But I don't know the specifics (no RSX experience).
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>
>>> Bill, Paul,
>>> I have been tinkering with old versions of RSX11M (back to V2) on
>>> non-mapped CPUs, primarily PDP-11/05 as I hope to get mine running soon. On
>>> Simh
>>> with the CPU set as a PDP-11/05 which does not have EIS (I also tried an
>>> 11/40 but the SET CPU NOEIS in Simh gave me an error so I couldn't be sure
>>> if it was disabled) I was able to boot the baseline distribution for RSX11M
>>> V4.0 on a RL02 distribution. See details below on the config I tested.
>>> RSX11M is a pretty capable multitasking, multiuser system and would be good
>>> fit for the PDP-11/40.
>>>
>>
>> RL02 or RL01? I have only RL02 drives (2). Are you saying you can
>>
>> 1) Use simH to set up the environment
>> 2) Port to RL02 image disk
>> 3) Take image put on actual RL02?
>>
>>
> I just checked and the V3.2 distribution disks on bitsavers are RL02
> images (even if
> they are in the RL01 directory). The baseline image is an unmapped
> system which is
> a bit restrictive for your 11/40 but there is a full mapped system on
> the disk. To make
> the mapped system the default:
>
> 1. boot the baseline unmapped system as Mark showed below. Make sure
> your
> system is configured as an 11/40.
>
> 2. type the following at the “>” prompt
>
> ins $boo
> boo [1,54]rsx11m
>
> this will boot up the mapped system.
>
> 3. to make this the default (after the acs command wait for a response
> that the
> checkpoint file is inactive):
>
> acs sy:/blks=0
> sav /wb
>
> now you should have a bootable mapped system which you can copy to your
> physical RL02. Depending on the state of your EIS board you may want to
> stay with the original unmapped system - I suspect that the baseline
> mapped
> system will always try to use the “sob” instruction.
>
I think you should be OK with the mapped system. I just took a look at
the v3.2
installation guide and it does not include a question about using EIS,
that option
appears to have been added in v4.x.
John.
> John.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> sim> sho cpu
>>> CPU 11/05, idle enabled, autoconfiguration enabled
>>> 64KB
>>> sim> sh rl
>>> RL RL11, address=17774400-17774411, vector=160, 4 units
>>> RL0 2621KW, attached to rsxm32.rl01, on line
>>> write enabled, RL01
>>> RL1 2621KW, attached to excprv.rl01, on line
>>> write enabled, RL01
>>> RL2 2621KW, attached to mcrsrc.rl01, on line
>>> write enabled, RL01
>>> RL3 2621KW, attached to rlutil.rl01, on line
>>> write enabled, RL01
>>> sim> b rl
>>>
>>>
>>> RSX-11M V4.0 BL32 28.K (BASELINE)
>>>> RED DL:=SY:
>>>> RED DL:=LB:
>>>> MOU DL:RSXM32
>>>> @DL:[1,2]STARTUP
>>>> * PLEASE ENTER TIME AND DATE (HR:MN DD-MMM-YY) [S]: 17:52 04-FEB-80
>>>> TIM 17:52 04-FEB-80
>>>> * ENTER LINE WIDTH OF THIS TERMINAL [D D:132.]: 80.
>>>> SET /BUF=TI:80.
>>>> @ <EOF>
>>>> dev
>>> DL0: Mounted Loaded Type=RL01
>>> DL1: Loaded Type=RL01
>>> TT0:
>>> NL0:
>>> TI0:
>>> CO0: TT0:
>>> CL0: TT0:
>>> LB0: DL0:
>>> SY0: DL0:
>>>> ins $pip
>>>> pip /li
>>>
>>>
>>> Directory DL0:[200,200]
>>> 4-FEB-80 17:52
>>>
>>> BLDLAINIT.CMD;1 14. 22-JAN-82 10:19
>>> SGNBLDDRV.CMD;1 19. 22-JAN-82 10:19
>>> SGNKLAB.CMD;1 70. 22-JAN-82 10:19
>>> SGNSTAND.CMD;1 4. 22-JAN-82 10:19
>>> SYSGEN.CMD;1 85. 22-JAN-82 10:19
>>> SYSGEN2.CMD;1 79. 22-JAN-82 10:19
>>> SYSGEN3.CMD;1 52. 22-JAN-82 10:19
>>>
>>> Total of 323./323. blocks in 7. files
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I agree that it would run on the PDP 11/40 without EIS, but so far I have
>> not been able to get it onto an image that will write to actual RL02
>> disks. I was playing around with this yesterday.
>>
>> I was also working on getting Fortran onto a RT11 disk and in general
>> building a dual drive system that has a programming environment with enough
>> space to save program and a dataset.
>>
>> I have a lot of RSX11/M manuals and docs here, compared with RT11 I'd love
>> to use RSX. Are tools made for RSX compatible with RT-11, I am reading up
>> to see how these compare, what levels they're on...is RT11 like DOS and RSX
>> like "Windows" that sits on top of it, etc. I know RSX is not a GUI, just
>> making an analogy. I am researching all of this, up to this point I had
>> only dabbled in RT11.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bill
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