Thanks to several who have made suggestions. Noel, Tony, Jim, and Paul thank 
you. The system has been very thoroughly cleaned and the PS has been load 
tested. The front panel has had some bulbs replaced as well.

I took all my boards (except the front panel) to a friend's house with a 
working 8e and tested each board in succession. I found that most boards worked 
but M8310 was not. And 8K of 32K was working fine. Above 8K there was a stuck 
bit in the core. But with 8K working we were able to boot OS8 with all of my 
boards except M8310 (oh, and I borrowed his serial tty card).

I did know about these MA7-MD4 bits that seem stuck together in my machine. But 
we did not see this problem in my friend's machine. So I am concluding the 
problem could be in one of 3 possible places. The 8310 card, the front panel, 
the bus itself.  Because these are the three components that were not part of 
the test in my friend's machine.

Next step was to see if these two bus lines are shorted somehow. After wasting 
time looking at a document that was wrong, I checked the M8310 card for shorts 
between MA7 and MD4 and none existed. 

I am waiting on a douglas electronics card extender in the mail to check the 
bus itself. This issue could still be in the front panel or in some logic 
further upstream. This will be interesting to troubleshoot.

FYI
That omnibus_legenda.pdf file on bitsavers is CLEARLY erroneous based on what 
you guys are telling me and I found another document that indeed indicates that 
file is wrong. Too bad that this file is stored on bitsavers when it is 
incorrect. 

I hope this email can be found by the next guy searching for the omnibus 
details so they can avoid wasting time.
THIS FILE IS WRONG
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp8/pdp8e/Omnibus_legenda.pdf

This file shows the Omnibus signal locations CORRECTLY (extracted from a larger 
document)
http://w2hx.com/x/VintageComp/PDP-8e/Docs/Omnibus_Card_Edge_Designations.pdf




-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of W2HX
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:28 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts (cctalk@classiccmp.org)
Subject: quick omnibus question

Hi friends.
I am 100% new to my pdp8e and I am troubleshooting a problem.
The problem is that whenever address bit 7 I asserted, I also see MD bit 4 
asserted.

I am hoping there is a simple short somehow between these lines somewhere. I 
should mention that my setup has known working boards with the exception of 
M8310 does not work (all of my boards were tested in another machine one by 
one). So I am hoping the problem noted above might be occurring on the M8310 
board itself.

I found a document that describes the signals on the bus located here:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp8/pdp8e/Omnibus_legenda.pdf

I noticed that B1J (MA7) is directly adjacent to B1K (MD4). Could this be 
related?
So I decided to pull my 8310 and check the resistance between these signals on 
the edge of the board. However, I cannot seem to square the signals named in 
the PDF and what I see on the card edge connector on the board.

I am wondering if I am not understanding the PDF correctly. I have the board 
sitting on my table with the components facing up and the omnibus card edge is 
at the bottom of the card.  Going from left to right, do I have connectors ABCD 
or is it something else? Maybe DCBA?

Other than the reference PDF, is there another PDF that has a more detailed 
description of the bus and the signals?

Thanks
Eugene






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