On 19 July 2016 at 16:08, Swift Griggs <swiftgri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > IMHO, it's a PITA and not really worth it.
That's my impression, yes. > Hardware-based Hackintoshes can > be fast and somewhat well supported. I know, because I hackintoshed my PC in London before I left. It was a decent machine off the local Freecycle group -- Core 2 Quad Extreme, 8GB RAM, SATA DVD-RW. No hard disks or graphics card, which I cannibalised off my old PC. As it was the first all-Intel machine I'd had in a long long time -- well over a decade -- I tried hackintoshing it. (At first, it ran Ubuntu, natch, and I also tried Windows 8 on it for a month or so before the eval period expired and it started nagging.) It took days of trial and error but it worked. I intentionally used Snow Leopard (although Mountain Lion was by then current) because [a] I wanted PowerPC app support, mainly for MS Office 2004 and [b] it was an old version already, so probably no patches would come along and break my installtion. It worked fine and was a fast, useful, stable machine. I intentionally didn't try to get sleep/resume working -- it was a desktop; when not in use, I turned it off. One boot in 50 might fail but a press of the reset button and it always came up. Floppy drive and PS/2 ports didn't work, but I could always just reboot into Ubuntu for them. When I get the box over here, I might try to get it running a more modern version, just for kicks. > You just have to be very careful > about what hardware you pick. If one decides to build one, I'd recommend > checking the Buyers Guide on http://www.tonymacx86.com. I'm not that rich! I bought a used Mac mini, with my 26Y old Apple ABD keyboard on it. :-) > As far as VMware or VirtualBox goes, that's a different story. I've used > both of them and as of about a year or so ago, I didn't get satisfactory > results. For one, even when you use an EFI BIOS, you still need to load > EFI hackery-loaders, and driver-hacks to get it working. Yes, tried that. > I tried to do it > the "legal way" by buying a copy of OSX Server standalone etc... > > https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2005793 OK, never tried that! > Eventually I got a working guest VM with OSX on it, but I think the > graphics drivers and other niggly bits were non-optimal to the point it > was just painful and slow to use. It took quite a bit of time even to get > it that far (lots of trial and error with the guest VM settings). Perhaps > things are easier these days, but I certainly couldn't recommend the > process unless you just wanted/needed OSX Server running in a VM for some > kind of infrastructure stuff. That's probably exactly what Apple intended, > too. I'm tempted to, but the machine I'd want to run it on is AMD-based, so I think the chances are not good. > BTW, I've heard it all runs peachy under OSX. Obviously, I'm talking about > the host-server being FreeBSD, Linux, or Windows. > > With Mac Minis and other OSX hardware being pretty accessible, and with my > bad-attitude toward most modern commercial OSs (app store full of malware > anyone?) I'm not enthusiastic enough to jack with VM'ing it much. My > impression is that Apple seems much more interested in iPhones and perhaps > tablets these days than some "old" desktop OS. Up to a point, yes. But it's still a damned fine desktop, and the least-hassle Unix there is. Ubuntu is getting close, though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/may/17/computing-opensource http://lifehacker.com/5993401/im-cory-doctorow-and-this-is-how-i-work > You'd think a company with a bazillion notional dollars equity value would > have a few spare cycles for keeping the OS interesting. However, lately, > my impression is that their idea of "interesting" seems to mean they put > higher walls around the garden. Oh, wait, they are making it mo' betta' > for to read in traditional Chinese and throwing in a bunch of bundled > application tweaks that have little to do with the actual OS. Uhh. > Grreeeeaaaaat. I have no issues with it myself. I don't use Apple phones or laptops, I don't have a tablet, so the integration features are irrelevant to me. I don't use Apple's email client, chat client, calendar, notes, cloud storage, anything. Mostly I use FOSS and freeware apps, so there's no tie-in for me. But the integration is, I hear, amazing and best-of-breed. I gather they're adding Siri to the next version, macOS Sierra, and after that, there will be more AI features. Not sure that I want any of that, but we'll see. > Hey Apple, you might want a modern volume management scheme (ie.. not Core > Storage) before you slap "Server" on anything else. It's no small wonder > OSX Server was a failure in the marketplace. Well, they nearly added ZFS, but bottled out, possibly due to Oracle and its licensing. Now they're working on a new one: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/digging-into-the-dev-documentation-for-apfs-apples-new-file-system/ > I'd rather install a 20 year old OS I've never seen versus OSX on VMware, > but that's just me. Partly. ;-) -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR)
