Archive.org was supposed to host these, so the archival is good w/o gmane.
However in googleing and verifying about that, I ran across something
called archive-org.com which is hosted by a "private" registration of
some sort, so I don't know if it has a damn thing to do with archive.org
or not. It has this list on it already. And wants me to register to
get an account for access.
If it is a virus bait site for these well meaning "free" archives, that
is precisely why there needs to be authorized archives and not just
anyone who feels like it.
My main concern is that you can find out the history of my email
addresses back to my first one. The email addresses are not obscured
anywhere in them. So it is easy if someone wants to harvest email
address right off to do so.
Also I don't necessarily generate my comments here for open archiving
and exploitation, especially by one like the above which seems to be
commercial once you get into it.
Jay isn't going anywhere, and the archives are in good hands for now.
And gmane as I understood it was more of a bridge than an archive at the
start. With the destruction of usenet archives by google it did
probably keep some amount of that, but there is a huge amount lost in
that transaction, so it isn't necessarily to be trusted that cctalk will
be "interesting".
Also injecting the list into the usenet mess violates any rights the
authors here have in who reads the discussion. Of course who can chime
in is controlled, but I'm just paranoid enough I'd not like to have all
this firing off into all the usenet crevasses that I know exist w/o
come control.
Just my $0.02. worth.
Jim
On 8/24/2015 9:10 PM, Doug Jackson wrote:
This about screen pretty much sums it up.
http://gmane.org/about.php
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Free software is mainly developed on mailing lists. Mailing lists have
many advantages over other forms of communication, but they have two
weaknesses: It's difficult to follow discussions in a sensible way,
and mailing list archives (when they exist) have a tendency to
disappear over time.
Severalmailing list archives <http://gmane.org/links.php>exist, but
these are all hidden under a web interface. Reading mail that way is
not convenient. Reading mail as if it were news is convenient.
This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news
groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist.
What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the
server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of
these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself,
depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post
or not.
In addition, Gmane doesspam detection
<http://gmane.org/filter.php>,cross-post handling
<http://gmane.org/cross.php>, has aTMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding
service <http://gmane.org/tmda.php>, aweb interface
<http://news.gmane.org/>, respectsX-No-Archive
<http://gmane.org/expiry.php>, suppliesRSS feeds
<http://gmane.org/rss.php>, usesSPF <http://spf.pobox.com/>,
gatherstraffic statistics <http://gmane.org/charts.php>, and has a
real-time indexingsearch engine <http://search.gmane.org/>.
Not all mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post, and some are
moderated. Gmane requires that users post to Gmane groups using a
valid e-mail address, and requires a one-timeauthorization
<http://gmane.org/post.php>per group.
To read the mailing lists stored in Gmane, point your news reader
tonews.gmane.org <nntp://news.gmane.org>.
To get a new mailing list added,use the subscription form
<http://gmane.org/subscribe.php>. Almost any mailing list can be
added. Just includesubscription information
<http://gmane.org/add.php>. Mailing list archives can beimported
<http://gmane.org/import.php>into Gmane.
Discussion about the Gmane hierarchy takes place on thegmane.discuss
<nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.discuss>newsgroup.
At present, the Gmane hierarchy is heavily dominated by
computer-related mailing lists, which reflects the interests of the
initial user base. However, Gmane is not meant to be a service
exclusively for IT people. Feel free to suggest non-computer-related
mailing lists.
To get in touch with the Gmane administrators, send a mail toLars
Magne Ingebrigtsen <http://gmane.org/contact.php>.
Gmane has been in full operation since February 11th 2002, after a one
month test period. And the "g" in "Gmane" is silent.
Background
I've tried to gather some thoughts on Gmane here. It's been running
now for almost half a year, and it's about time to summarize the
experience somewhat.
My main reason for setting up Gmane in the first place was my
annoyance with the concept of mailing lists. I've always preferred
newsgroups -- they have a nice interface; they can be archived in a
convenient format; and they can be searched (via DejaNews/Google).
Mailing lists have a lousy interface, and if they have an archive at
all, it's always hidden behind some web-based monstrosity. And they
never allow searching.
So I started Gmane, and gathered the mailing lists I was vaguely
interested in. Many, many other lists were requested by other users
and added by me and the other Gmane administrators. There's now more
than two thousand lists here. If I'm looking for discussion on any
given topic (for instance -- buffer overflows in the libc resolver
library), I just have my news reader display all the Gmane groups,
and, more often than not, all the relevant mailing lists are already
there, and I find what I'm looking for.
------------------------
Makes sense to me :-)
Doug
On 25/08/2015 1:20 PM, dwight wrote:
I see. Why would they do that?
Dwight
From: jw...@classiccmp.org
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: FYI gmane cctalk group
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:34:03 -0500
That means they are copying the list without permission.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:22 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: FYI gmane cctalk group
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 07:38:25 -0700
From: a...@bitsavers.org
To: gene...@classiccmp.org; classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts
cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: FYI gmane cctalk group
just noticed this
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.announce/23246/match=gmane+comp+hardware+vint
age
From: Mailing List Manager <admin <at> gmane.org>
Subject: New group gmane.comp.hardware.vintage
Newsgroups: gmane.announce
Date: 2015-05-19 10:57:19 GMT (13 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours and 39
minutes
ago)
The newsgroup gmane.comp.hardware.vintage has been created.
The subject of the first message posted was
Subject: Re: EPROM dumps for HP Draftmaster II 7596A
This newsgroup corresponds to the cctalk mailing list.
Description: Classic Computing Talk (non-public).
<URL: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.vintage>
<URL: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.vintage>
What does " This newsgroup corresponds to the cctalk mailing
list."mean?Dwight =
