Ah that's right, I had forgotten about this supplementary video. I even read 
this paper again not too long ago. It's working better than the HexAuFoil paper 
suggests it should, that's interesting to see. But it might not be generally 
applicable to all datasets? especially of lower resolution.

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From: Tomas Malinauskas <tomas.malinaus...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2025 6:07:22 PM
To: Guillaume Gaullier
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Subject: Dose-dependent evolution of the cryo-EM density of the disulfide bond 
(Re: [ccp4bb] Query Regarding Additional Density Near Disulfide Bond in Cryo-EM 
Structure

Hi Guillaume,

Regarding your suggested experiment, something similar is presented in
Supplementary Video 2 in the following paper:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2829-0

Best wishes,
Tomas

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 4:03 PM Guillaume Gaullier
<guillaume.gaull...@kemi.uu.se> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> Sorry to hijack this discussion, but does someone know if reduction of a 
> disulphide could be a manifestation of radiation damage? Especially in 
> cryoEM, since we're shooting electrons at it.
>
>
> One way to test this would be to do a rough zero-dose extrapolation (repeat 
> motion correction with fewer and fewer frames, use the particle coordinates 
> and orientations determined with the full dose to extract particle images and 
> do reconstructions from the micrographs obtained with fewer frames) and see 
> if this feature appears with accumulated dose. But this is tricky to do if 
> motion correction is not perfect. At least according to the paper that 
> introduced HexAuFoil grids: https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abb7927 ; but I 
> don't know if anyone has tried even without these grids.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Guillaume
>
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> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2025 4:50:37 PM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Query Regarding Additional Density Near Disulfide Bond 
> in Cryo-EM Structure
>
> To me this looks like a mixture of oxidized and reduced states of the S-S 
> bond. Hard to say with any certainty seeing as the (optical) resolution is 
> modest.
>
> Artem
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> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 8:18 AM Devbrat Kumar <devformed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I am worried about the density of the disulfide bond in the cryo-EM 
>> structure that I am analyzing. The experimental map shows the expected 
>> density for the disulfide bond involving two cysteine residues, but in 
>> addition, I see some unexplained density, which I do not know how to 
>> interpret.
>>
>> I have attached the figure for your reference. Does anyone have experience 
>> with such extra density around a disulfide bond in their structures? Any 
>> thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks for your attention and assistance.
>>
>> Warm regards
>> Devbrat kumar
>> Postdoctoral Fellow
>> IITD, In
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