Hi all

Slice'N'Dice is another option for this. It will take a structure eg an AF2 
prediction, remove low-confidence portions, and split the remainder using a 
variety of algorithms, including based on the PAE where that is available. 
Originally developed for MR 
(https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.30.497974v1) it can also place 
the split regions into an EM map using Molrep or Powerfit (em_placement 
arriving soon). A novel classifier and clash detection are used to assess the 
results.

SnD is interfaced from CCP4i2, CCP4 Cloud and CCPEM Doppio (Slice only atm, 
Dice to follow shortly). There's also a neat interface from Moorhen.org for 
visualising the splitting interactively. The paper has been submitted and we'll 
update the bioRXiv preprint soon.

Best wishes
Dan



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Thanks Martyn!

I should add that support for our docking software in CCP-EM is fairly new, but 
it’s developing quickly. You can run emplace_local there too, though you have 
to provide it with the coordinates for the search center — more graphical setup 
akin to the ChimeraX interface should come!

Randy



On 27 Nov 2024, at 10:28, Martyn Winn - STFC UKRI 
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Hi Gloria,

I agree that ChimeraX is the easiest starting point for this. After that, the 
CCP-EM suite has a variety of rigid and flexible fitting methods that you can 
try (including em_placement in the latest).  Also many validation functions, 
which are kind of important 😊   Our annual Icknield workshop covers these 
techniques, look e.g. at 
https://www.ccpem.ac.uk/training/icknield_2023/icknield_2023.php

HTH
m

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Hi Gloria,

Guillaume already mentioned emplace_local, so I’ll just mention that if you get 
a recent nightly build of Phenix and the latest version of ChimeraX (plus the 
Phenix UI plugin from the toolshed), you can tell it your map has symmetry, 
place a monomer, and then it will detect the symmetry and place all the 
symmetry-related copies of the monomer. (That’s assuming you imposed the 
symmetry during the reconstruction.)

It’s still under rapid development: another new feature is to be able to 
account for a part of the model you’ve already placed when placing a new 
component. To come: something much more highly automated, like Phaser, in 
placing multiple copies of multiple components all in one job.

Best wishes,

Randy



On 26 Nov 2024, at 23:50, Gloria Borgstahl 
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Hello Friends,
We are finally using cryoEM when the crystallography got too hard!  We have a 
crystal structure for the hexamer.  What is the easiest software tool to swing 
a monomer or hexamer into the cryoEM density?
Thank you, Gloria

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