James, you know you can generate heat within the LAMP test, there’s chemistry for that and very accurate, sufficient for 30 - 45 minutes “runtime"
But I enjoy reading your emails. Jürgen > On Dec 7, 2020, at 8:50 PM, James Holton <jmhol...@lbl.gov> wrote: > > > Yes, I would like to congratulate all these authors for getting this out. > Many of them are friends and colleagues, and it is great to see them doing > well, and getting this kind of work in front of as many eyes as possible. > The nice thing about this particular assay is that it is linear with time, > and therefore much more quantitative than PCR. Makes it easier to measure > viral load. Great progress! > > True, 488 nm laser diodes are not "cheap", but that is paying retail. > Ostensibly, there is no reason why mass production couldn't be ramped up. The > question is not how much it costs to build the first one, but how much it > will cost to make the billionth one. We scientists are usually far more > concerned with the first device than the 2nd or the last, but if we want to > get ahead of this pandemic we need to start thinking on this scale. How many > factories can make the parts you need? What is the actual per-unit > incremental cost of manufacture? Are there critical materials or components > that are or will be in short supply. If you need toilet paper, for example, > forget about it. > > In my spare time, I've been thinking a lot about how to get to a billion > tests/day. Why that many? Because (IMHO) that is the most cost-effective way > to end a pandemic. It is interesting to note that the graph of cost/benefit > vs testing rate has a maximum, and it currently lies between us and the > minimum. The minimum is when you test the entire population at the same time. > That is, if we all take a test before going to bed and get the result the > following morning, then everyone who has the virus will know to stay home. > Everyone else can go to work, school, brunch, etc. If the test is 99% > accurate you only need to do this ~5 times, perhaps once a week, until the > number of undetected cases on Earth is less than one (7e9*(1-0.99)^5 < 1). > I.E. the virus is extinct. That is, you could end the pandemic in 5 weeks > with only 35 billion tests and potentially no need for quarantine (R << 1). > Even if the test is only 50% accurate, or if compliance with quarantine is > only 50%, then you need to test the world 33 times, or 2.3e11 test. The > problem is that at current prices of $150/test, the cost of doing that would > be $35e12. This is most of the Gross World Product. Too much. > > The trick is achieving this scale at a cost the human race can afford. If we > can achieve the billion test/day scale with only $1/test, then ending the > pandemic in a month for only $35e9 would be a real bargain. > > So, how do we do that? Shipping alone will be a nightmare. Amazon delivers > about 1 billion packages every year, so delivering that many tests from a > central factory in less than a year is intractable. This means that not just > distribution but manufacturing must be de-centralized as much as possible. > The test kits, or their critical components will have to be robust enough to > be dropped en masse from airplanes. The advantages of "pre-deployed" > materials and equipment cannot be understated. Ideally, you'd like the test > to be performed by anyone watching a YouTube video (on their smartphone) > using things they already have in their kitchen. Now, not everyone has the > same things in their kitchen, and that means just one test design won't do. > We need a DIVERSITY of designs. > > What I've been trying to do is break down this problem into the most critical > barriers. As we collectively find ways to remove these barriers, we get > closer to this lofty goal. > > For example, if someone is lucky enough to own a sous vide, then they can > maintain the 63 C +/- 3 C for 2 hours required to perform a LAMP assay. > Problem is: not everyone owns a sous vide, including me. I could order one, > but if a billion other people do the same it will be a while before all those > orders are filled. So, I need to use what I have. My oven can't be set for > less than 77 C (that will inactivate the polymerase), hot water out of the > tap is only 50 C (too cold), and boiling water in a coffee mug cools off too > fast (65->60 C in 5 min). A few things I have found around the house that can > do a LAMP assay are: a candle-fired fondue set, a slow cooker ("crock pot") > set on "keep warm", solidifying candle wax in a foam box (melting point is > ~62 C), and (I think) the dishwasher. > > Now, I haven't actually been doing LAMP assays in my kitchen. What I've been > doing is cooking eggs. A "63 degree egg" has a particular mayonaise-like > consistency that is hard to achieve any other way. That was my assay for the > above. > > I suppose I could buy some Bst polymerase, but then my price/test will > definitely be > $1. There also won't be enough to go around. 7 billion units > of Bst polymerase is about 1 kg of pure enzyme. That will take a while to > make. Enzymes in general are a pain. They are expensive, delicate, must be > kept sterile, refrigerated, and are complicated to ship. It would be great > if we had a testing strategy that didn't need any enzymes. Oligonucleotides > are much hardier, cheaper, more predictable, and faster to make. > Manufacturing can be distributed over a fairly large number of locations, and > the amount you need per test is tiny. > > The main hurdle to an enzyme-free test is sensitivity. You can get decent > signal boost by labeling hundreds of different sites in the 30 kb genome (as > I described earlier) but you're not going to get the billion-fold > amplification you can get from PCR. Even at the peak of an active infection > the concentration of virus in sputum could still be as low as 1e6 copies/mL. > This is ~2e-15 M. A tall order, but not unprecedented for detection by a > smartphone CMOS sensor. Truth be told, however, that detection limit was 1 > million bioluminescent particles/mL. That means zero background. > Fluorescence detection is limited by background, and most of that background > comes from excess probes. Even "black-hole" quenchers aren't completely > black. They give you a factor of 50 or so, nothing more. It is tempting to > only use an equimolar amount of probe, but at 2e-15 M target the on-rate will > be very low. On the other hand, unless the probes are removed > post-annealing, anything more than a 10:1 ratio of probe to target will have > unacceptably high background. > > What is important to remember here, however, is that you can always get more > signal by using more sample. How much material a swab picks up is variable, > but I guess it is not more than tens of microliters. This is then diluted > >100x by the "dip and spin" transfer into a solution you can put in a PCR > tube. Saliva-based tests usually collect ~500 uL or so, but can be hampered > by contamination. Yes, people are told not to eat before providing saliva > samples, but at least some of them always do. Then again, it may be a > foregone conclusion that any test done in the home by billions of people is > going to have to be robust to contamination. Perhaps we should embrace it > rather than fight it? > > The extreme case of high sample volume and high contaminant levels is sewage. > I have been immensely impressed by how successful this has been! Arizona > State University detected two asymptomatic cases in a dorm full of 330 > students by doing just one test: sampling the effluent from the building. How > much virus is available by this route is not clear, as literature on recovery > and complications from contaminants are sparse. However, since PCR false > negatives become unacceptably high after pooling 5 or so patient samples, but > 2 patient samples were pooled with >300 others at ASU, I'd say you should get > at least 30x more virus from a stool sample than you would from a swab. > Coronaviruses in general are enteric pathogens, making this kind of shedding > their usual route. This is a stark contrast to flu, Ebola and other serious > pathogens we have seen in recent memory. I personally wonder how many > "asymptomatic" cases simply had diarrhea and didn't want to talk about it. > As a result, I am now much more afraid of public lavatories than ever before. > > Typical effluent samples are ~ 50 mL. A concentration step is required. As > biochemists we immediately think of centrifugation, but the closest thing in > my kitchen to a centrifuge is our salad spinner, and it only gets up to about > 15 g (according to my previous phone's accelerometer). That's not even > enough to pellet yeast, let alone nucleic acids. Manu Prakash invented a > very clever whirlygig centrifuge (the PaperFuge), but it is not really > compatible with large volumes. In fact, large volumes and high g-forces mean > quite a lot of stored energy, and therefore a dangerous device. > > These factors turned my attention to electrophoretic concentrators. Yes, > they do exist, but they are slow: > https://doi.org/10.1016/0003-2697(81)90375-4 > <https://doi.org/10.1016/0003-2697(81)90375-4> > Convection will keep re-mixing the sample, and therefore must be avoided. > That means, among other things, gas production at the electrodes must be kept > low enough to dissipate by diffusion (no bubbles). However, for an at-home > test it is OK if this takes overnight. Lower voltages are safer anyway. By > proper selection of the pore size in the gel or membrane used to capture the > RNA, it could also serve to remove any unhybridized primers, which will have > much lower molecular weight than the viral genome. > > The trick here will be keeping the RNA genome intact long enough to do the > whole assay. Good thing about not using any enzymes is that you can have tons > of denaturant around. Oligos of sufficient length can still hybridize in 3-5 > M urea, and perhaps higher. The literature on that is a bit sparse. The > other thing that kills RNAse but not RNA is heat. Once the sample cools down > the RNAses can re-fold and start digesting the RNA again, but if you keep it > hot, and at neutral pH, the RNA has a pretty good chance. Have I done this > experiment? No. I need a way to detect the RNA in my kitchen. > > The make-or-break here comes down to the at-home fluorometer. Key question > is: how many dye molecules can be detected by a device costing $1 (+ > smartphone) made of parts that can scale to 1 billion units? I've looked into > this a bit. One very important thing I have learned is that Schott glass > sucks. I had hoped that by using colored glass filters I could avoid the need > for any lenses. The "flash" LED on a smartphone is very bright, but also > highly divergent. The theoretically best combination of filters and dyes to > use are a Hoya B-370 excitation filter, ATTO-465 dye and and Scott OG-515 > emission filter. However, the OG-515 glass is itself fluorescent. Degree of > fluorescence varies from batch to batch, but it is bright enough to see by > eye, and therefore useless. Maybe I can make some jewelry out of it. > > Since colored glass filters are out, that leaves interference filters. These > need parallel light, and that means lenses. I have found, however, that ball > lenses could do the trick. Spheres are easy to manufacture. A ~1 cm ball > lens held in contact with the window of the "flash" LED of a smartphone > renders the light parallel enough for an interference filter to work. A > second ball lens then focuses the filtered blue light onto a ~1 mm wide > sample ~2.5 mm from the ball's surface. A third ball lens after the sample > picks up the fluorescent light and parallelizes it through the emission > filter. A final, forth ball lens focuses the fluorescent photons into the > smartphone camera. Now, scientific-grade ball lenses and interference filters > are not the cheapest optical components, but then again, neither is anything > else when you buy it from a scientific supply company. A 1 cm N-BK7 glass > ball lens set me back $44, but I also got a bag of one thousand 3/8" acrylic > ball bearings for $10. Both lens types work equally well in my hands. I'm > still learning about how interference filters are manufactured, but all they > really are is a glass plate with some coating on it. Lots of places can do > optical coatings, I think. A billion test kits will require a total of 1 > km^2, but it doesn't have to ever be all one sheet. > > Then you need something to hold the optics together. My favorite right now > is black rubber hose. It is light tight, the matte finish minimizes specular > reflections, and with a little pressure the rubber forms good light-tight > seals all by itself. You can also align the optics peristaltically. What's > been a little difficult is finding the right way to cut a rubber tube and get > a nice, smooth edge. Freezing in liquid nitrogen would do it, but I don't > have any of that in my kitchen. Ordinary tubing cutters are OK, but not > great. Anyone got a favorite trick for this? > > And in general, any suggestions or comments, or best of all home experiment > results would be great to hear. I believe that if we collectively work the > problem we will inspire more breakthroughs like the Fozouni et al. paper > below, and that will have a strong positive impact on all of us. > > -James Holton > MAD Scientist > > > On 12/5/2020 8:05 AM, Eugene Osipov wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I wanted to revive this discussion with a fresh paper from Cell journal: >> https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31623-8 >> <https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31623-8> >> So one could use a smartphone camera for SARS-CoV-2 detection but you still >> need some extra tools, like 488 nm laser. >> >> пт, 10 апр. 2020 г. в 20:14, James Holton <jmhol...@lbl.gov >> <mailto:jmhol...@lbl.gov>>: >> >> It looks to me that in this norovirus test the phone is acting as nothing >> more than a camara attached to a conventional microscope. Light source is >> 3rd party, and the microscope body is 3D printed. 3D printing is cool and >> all, but it does not scale well. Antibodies are also expensive to make. >> You will go through a lot of rabbits to make the 1 kg needed for a billion >> tests. This isn't quite the price point I had in mind. >> >> I agree that agglomeration of fluorescent beads is very sensitive. However, >> my experience with beads and other small objects is that they love to stick >> together for all kinds of reasons. And once they do it is hard to get them >> to separate. Assaying for virus particles in otherwise pure water is one >> thing, it is quite another when there is other stuff around. >> >> Personally, I've tried several different phone-based microscopes and the >> hardest thing about them is aligning the camera. I'm a beamline scientist, >> so aligning things is second nature, but your average person might have a >> hard time. The most annoying part is if you bump it you have to start over. >> Image quality is also never all that great, I expect because the optics of a >> smartphone camera are wide-angle, and you are fighting against that. >> Eventually I bought a self-contained wifi microscope for $50, and that works >> MUCH better. In fact, I'd say its competitive with the $5k microscope we >> use to look at crystals. However, $50 is a lot in the third world. I've >> heard that drugs that cost more than $1/pill are essentially unobtainable in >> many countries. >> >> I'm still thinking that using the camera as nothing more than a big >> photodiode is the right way to go. By positioning the sample right in front >> of the camera lens you will get maximum light-collection efficiency. In >> fact, one might be able to get excellent time resolution out of the >> rolling-shutter mode. That is, unlike the CCD or PAD detectors we are used >> to these CMOS sensors read out one row of pixels while the others are still >> exposing. This means that the whole image is acutally one big time series >> with individual pixels only a few nanoseconds apart. It should be possible >> to differentiate the light from a long-lived fluorophore from background. >> However, I don't think anyone has tried that yet. >> >> -James Holton >> MAD Scientist >> >> >> On 4/4/2020 5:48 PM, Jurgen Bosch wrote: >>> Here’s another link I found that should make this project feasible: >>> >>> https://physicsworld.com/a/smartphone-based-device-detects-norovirus/ >>> <https://physicsworld.com/a/smartphone-based-device-detects-norovirus/> >>> >>> Jürgen >>> >>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Patrick Shaw Stewart <patr...@douglas.co.uk >>>> <mailto:patr...@douglas.co.uk>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jurgen, that was interesting. (Strange how your hair came and went during >>>> the talk, leaving you bald sometimes - but of course that didn't matter ! >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> Did you know that coronavirus was first isolated at 33C and that this >>>> temperature may be required for isolation? >>>> https://www.bmj.com/content/3/5568/767 >>>> <https://www.bmj.com/content/3/5568/767> >>>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019665531730901X >>>> <https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019665531730901X> >>>> >>>> We don't know why the virus stays in the throat in many people, but at >>>> other times it goes to the lungs. ACE2 is predicted to be highly >>>> expressed in the mouth and nose as well as the lungs. >>>> https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-16992/v1 >>>> <https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-16992/v1> >>>> >>>> A recent Nature paper noted that "sequence-distinct virus populations were >>>> consistently detected in throat and lung samples from the same patient, >>>> proving independent replication" >>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2196-x >>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2196-x> >>>> >>>> It would be very interesting to know whether the lung samples were less >>>> temperature-sensitive than the throat >>>> ones, and whether this could explain the observed divergent tropism - >>>> (which you also noted). >>>> https://oldwivesandvirologists.blog/predicting-the-seasonality-of-covid/ >>>> <https://oldwivesandvirologists.blog/predicting-the-seasonality-of-covid/> >>>> >>>> Thx and stay warm (see my blog) >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:57 PM Jurgen Bosch <jxb...@case.edu >>>> <mailto:jxb...@case.edu>> wrote: >>>> I’m sharing a laymen’s talk I recently gave on some aspects of Corona. I’m >>>> not claiming to be an expert, but there is useful information in the >>>> presentation. I skipped the intro and zoomed directly to the start of my >>>> presentation. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B00tJnbktVo&feature=youtu.be&t=204 >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B00tJnbktVo&feature=youtu.be&t=204> >>>> >>>> I can make the slides available if anybody wants them. >>>> >>>> Jürgen >>>> >>>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:27 AM, James Holton <jmhol...@lbl.gov >>>>> <mailto:jmhol...@lbl.gov>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Personally, if I were infected with SARS-CoV-1 instead of SARS-CoV-2 I'd >>>>> still like to know that. >>>>> >>>>> It is most certainly true that the primer design must be done right: >>>>> checking for self-annealing, low genomic variability, cross-reactivity to >>>>> potential contaminants etc. Fortunately, we have tools for this that can >>>>> be used at home. >>>>> >>>>> I agree the CRISPR-based tests are very exciting, as are many of the >>>>> other new tests being rolled out. Assay times of 15 minutes, 5 minutes, >>>>> and now 2 minutes have been claimed. The problem I see is they all rely >>>>> on specialized equipment, skilled technicians and expensive reagents. >>>>> Ramping up production to the billion-test scale may not be feasible. >>>>> Even if it were, all the PPE needed to extract those samples safely would >>>>> be prohibitive, as would be the sample-tracking logistics. >>>>> >>>>> For reasons such as this, I am curious to see if an at-home >>>>> do-it-yourself test is possible. It may serve no purpose other than to >>>>> satisfy indiviual curiosity, but I think it would go a long way to >>>>> defusing the fear that comes from not knowing. This would not just be >>>>> for sputum, but possibly doorknobs, packages, and, yes, mobile phones. >>>>> >>>>> And for those wondering about those nasal swabs: I've done a little >>>>> research on them and I think the reason for going full "Total Recall" and >>>>> sticking it way up inside your head is not because the virus is more >>>>> concentrated there (we don't even know what the concentration is), but >>>>> rather because potential contaminants are minimized. Think about it: PCR >>>>> is a very sensitive technique, and you want to make sure the sample came >>>>> from the intended patient, not the other patient who walked through the >>>>> door just before you did after sneezing in their hand and touching the >>>>> doorknob. If you touched that same doorknob and then <ahem> "scratched" >>>>> your nose, then a swab of your nostrils might pick up a virus or two. >>>>> That would be a false positive. >>>>> >>>>> I expect there are many aspects of current test that don't have to be the >>>>> way they are, but nonetheless are "required" because they were inherited >>>>> from previous tests. I expect we all have learned the hard way that in >>>>> biological science when you are handed a protocol you follow that >>>>> protocol to the letter. How many times have you had to teach a student >>>>> that? It is not a bad policy, but eventually there comes a time for >>>>> "assay development". This is when >>>>> you start asking "why do we do it that way, again?" >>>>> >>>>> For example, swabs with calcium alginate are not allowed becuase they >>>>> can "kill the virus". If all we want is genomic RNA, then why do we >>>>> care? Possibly because the traditional method of identifying most >>>>> pathogens is to culture them. The CDC protocol also recommends against >>>>> cotton swabs with wood handles. Why? Perhaps because they contain DNA, >>>>> and for PCR you always worry about contamination. Is there any chance >>>>> the probes will anneal to something in the cotton or pine genomes? I >>>>> doubt it, but I also doubt that anyone has checked. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for the suggestions so far! Very interesting and helpful! >>>>> >>>>> -James Holton >>>>> MAD Scientist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/31/2020 11:46 PM, Sahil Batra wrote: >>>>>> Dear Prof. Holton, >>>>>> >>>>>> An innovative idea; however all of the 30 kb genome may not be useful >>>>>> for specific detection - SARS-CoV1 and SARS-CoV2 share 80% identity. >>>>>> >>>>>> A similar fluorescent detection approach for SARS Cov2 -- using the >>>>>> indiscriminate collateral activity of Cas12 nuclease -- has been >>>>>> reported here: >>>>>> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.29.971127v1.full.pdf >>>>>> <https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.29.971127v1.full.pdf> >>>>>> Although not tested on samples from patients. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Sahil Batra >>>>>> PhD candidate, IIT Kanpur >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:07 PM Jurgen Bosch <jxb...@case.edu >>>>>> <mailto:jxb...@case.edu>> wrote: >>>>>> One problem I see is the sputum, there’s a reason why swabs are made to >>>>>> get sufficient viral material. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since stool samples test PCR positive that might be an easier approach >>>>>> to get sufficient viral material. As a side note, these are not >>>>>> infectious anymore, or at least one has not been able to infect tissue >>>>>> cultures from stool samples. >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s worth a thought, I’ll need to read those papers you referenced. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe I read a suitable preprint for viral load, will search for it >>>>>> tomorrow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jürgen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________ >>>>>> Jürgen Bosch, Ph.D. >>>>>> Division of Pediatric Pulmonology and Allergy/Immunology >>>>>> Case Western Reserve University >>>>>> 2109 Adelbert Rd <>, BRB 835 >>>>>> Cleveland, OH 44106 <> >>>>>> Phone: 216.368.7565 <tel:216.368.7565> >>>>>> Fax: 216.368.4223 <tel:216.368.4223> >>>>>> CEO & Co-Founder at InterRayBio, LLC >>>>>> >>>>>> Johns Hopkins University >>>>>> Bloomberg School of Public Health >>>>>> Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 00:50, James Holton <jmhol...@lbl.gov >>>>>>> <mailto:jmhol...@lbl.gov>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In order to do global survelinace of this new virus I figure we're >>>>>>> going >>>>>>> to need billions of tests. The biggest barriers I believe are >>>>>>> logistical. Shipping back and forth to a central labs isn't going to >>>>>>> cut it, and neither are test kits that cost $800 each. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I may have a plausible way forward to a low-cost and easily >>>>>>> mass-produced test for the SARS-CoV-2 virus using mostly items people >>>>>>> already have, such as smartphones. The most expensive reagent required >>>>>>> will be labeled oligos, but those scale very well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The key observation is that smartphones can detect as few as 1e6 >>>>>>> particles/mL if they do long exposures (180s). This was using >>>>>>> bioluminescence. Reported here: >>>>>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40203.pdf >>>>>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40203.pdf> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The other side of that coin is the expected titer of the virus in >>>>>>> sputum. I don't know of any reports for SARS-CoV-2 itself, but for >>>>>>> four >>>>>>> other respiratory viruses, including one coronavirus, it ranges from >>>>>>> 1e6 >>>>>>> to 1e8 particles/mL : >>>>>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4187748/ >>>>>>> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4187748/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is encouraging! The challenge will be to detect viral genomes in >>>>>>> "the field" without sophisticated lab equipment like a PCR machine, >>>>>>> lasers, 3D printers, etc. The concentration will be 1e-15 M, a >>>>>>> challenge, but then again we can detect single molecules using >>>>>>> fluorescence. The questions are: >>>>>>> 1) can we get the background low enough so that the dark current of the >>>>>>> camera dominates >>>>>>> 2) can we make the signal high enough to overcome the dark current. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) will depend on the availability of mass-produced filter technology. >>>>>>> However, the best filter may simply be time. Provided the fluorophore >>>>>>> lifetime is long enough and the camera synchronization tight enough one >>>>>>> could simply measure the "afterglow" after the >>>>>>> camera flash has turned >>>>>>> off. An interesting candidate is europium. Most fluorophores decay in >>>>>>> nanoseconds, but lanthanides can be microseconds to milliseconds. In >>>>>>> fact, "glow-in-the-dark" toys usually use europium-doped ZnS or SrAl04. >>>>>>> Those decay over minutes to hours. What I'm not sure about is using >>>>>>> them for FRET. I would appreciate input on experience with this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) I believe signal could be enhanced by using very luminous tags (such >>>>>>> as quantum dots), and/or by using multiple tags per genome. This virus >>>>>>> has the largest RNA genome known to date at 30 kbases. That means there >>>>>>> is room for up to 2000 15-mer tags, each with its own label. The set-up >>>>>>> cost for doing ~2000 oligo synthesis reactions will be high, but it can >>>>>>> be done at scale. You only need ~2 fmol of each oligo, 10 umol >>>>>>> synthesis is about $1k, so I estimate about $1 per test using 1000 >>>>>>> different oligos. This price point will be important if we want to make >>>>>>> billions of tests to be used all over the world. In some countries $1 >>>>>>> is a lot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The detection strategy I am focusing on is FRET. That is, oligos would >>>>>>> be made in pairs, recognizing abutting sections of the viral genome. >>>>>>> Like this: >>>>>>> 5' atttcgctgattttggggtc-ATTO465 ATTO550-cattatcagacattttagt 3' >>>>>>> which would anneal to one of the current CDC >>>>>>> test primer sites: >>>>>>> 3' taaagcgactaaaaccccaggtaatagtctgtaaaatca 5' >>>>>>> The result in this case would be maximum FRET efficiency only when both >>>>>>> oligos are bound. From what I can tell, the ATTO465 dye is one that is >>>>>>> most sensitive to the blue peak in the iPhone "flash" LED spectrum, and >>>>>>> ATTO550 should give maximum contrast between the green and red channels >>>>>>> of the iPhone camera. That way you would discriminate presence/absence >>>>>>> by color. Red=virus, Green=clear. That is just an example. Other tags >>>>>>> might work better. Maybe quantum dots. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Additional aparatus would be required, of course, and at least a few >>>>>>> reagents to crack open the capsids (DTT and guanidine). These could be >>>>>>> shipped dry in foil packs. The end user would >>>>>>> simply tear it open and >>>>>>> spit into it. If the intersted party is performing the test on >>>>>>> themselves, then there is no biohazard. Heating to 70C (cup of >>>>>>> coffee?) >>>>>>> should kill the virus, and these reagents will make it even more dead. >>>>>>> I'm not sure how much purification would be required. The assay volume >>>>>>> in the Nature paper above was 1 mL. I expect signal would be improved >>>>>>> by concentrating the RNA as close to the camera as possible. It may >>>>>>> even be possible to absorb the nucleic acid directly onto the cover >>>>>>> glass of the smartphone camera. RNA sticks to glass at pH < 7.5, and >>>>>>> not much else does. Quiagen EZ1 nucleic acid purificaiton columns are >>>>>>> nothing but silica glass beads after all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are still details to work out, but I am intruiged by the fact >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> this seems physically possible and the potential of being very cheap, >>>>>>> rugged, portable and scaled up rapidly. It would be nice to be able to >>>>>>> leverage a device that is in already in the hand of half the people on >>>>>>> the planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Comments? 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