Dear Michael,

Did you ask Phaser to check for all possible space groups? There are still I422 
and I4 you did not mention. If the space group that came out of Phaser is 
different from the space group used for processing, subsequent refinement 
programs may use the wrong space group from the processing. This should be easy 
to check.

The other suggestion I have is to try a different processing program. Although 
XDS is excellent, I find that sometimes it has difficulties with ice rings, 
which reveal themselves not in the processing, but in the subsequent 
refinement. You may want to try Mosflm or some other processing program.

Best,
Herman

Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Michael 
Jarva
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Oktober 2017 03:09
An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Betreff: [EXTERNAL] [ccp4bb] Another troublesome dataset (High Rfree after MR)

To add to the current anisotropic discussion I recently got a dataset I'm 
unable to refine and I'm hoping I could get some help on figuring out if 
there's anything I can do.

I get a clear cut solution with Phaser using the same protein as search model 
and got a TFZ of >16, LLG >200, and a packing that makes sense, so I don't 
doubt the solution. However, the maps look terrible, more like something I 
would expect from a 3.65Å dataset rather than the 2.65Å it supposedly is.

The dataset merges well in I4122 to 2.65Å with an overall Rmerge of 5% and a 
CC1/2 of >0.5 in the outer shell (see the bottom for full summary). There is 
some minor radiation damage but I could cut out most of it due to the high 
symmetry.

Xtriage reports no indication of twinning, but does say that the data is 
moderately anisotropic, so I ran the unmerged data through the StarAniso 
server, which reported the ellipsoidal resolution limits to be 2.304, 2.893, 
and 3.039. Refining with the anisotropically truncated data improves the maps 
somewhat, but I am still unable to get the Rfree below 38%. I tried using both 
phenix.refine and buster with similar results.

I've considered the choice of space group and tried I41, F222, I212121 , and 
C2, but with the same results, and Zanuda tells me the same thing.
Lastly, there is some minor ice rings, so my last try was to exclud the ice 
ring resolutions, but this made little to no difference.

Normally I would just write this off as the data being bad but this time all 
the statistics tell me this should be doable so I'm curious what has gone wrong.

Cheers
Michael Jarva



Summary data for        Project: XDSproject Crystal: XDScrystal Dataset: 
XDSdataset



                                           Overall  InnerShell  OuterShell

Low resolution limit                       34.87     34.87      2.78

High resolution limit                       2.65      8.79      2.65



Rmerge  (within I+/I-)                     0.052     0.026     1.595

Rmerge  (all I+ and I-)                    0.057     0.030     1.805

Rmeas (within I+/I-)                       0.062     0.031     1.924

Rmeas (all I+ & I-)                        0.063     0.033     1.993

Rpim (within I+/I-)                        0.032     0.017     1.042

Rpim (all I+ & I-)                         0.025     0.014     0.817

Rmerge in top intensity bin                0.030        -         -

Total number of observations               19931       566      2681

Total number unique                         3597       114       471

Mean((I)/sd(I))                             11.3      42.3       0.8

Mn(I) half-set correlation CC(1/2)         0.999     0.999     0.575

Completeness                                97.9      93.1      99.6

Multiplicity                                 5.5       5.0       5.7



Anomalous completeness                      92.4      92.1      96.8

Anomalous multiplicity                       3.0       3.0       3.0

DelAnom correlation between half-sets      0.176     0.258     0.051

Mid-Slope of Anom Normal Probability       1.078       -         -



Average unit cell:   82.39   82.39   69.73   90.00   90.00   90.00

Space group: I 41 2 2

Average mosaicity:   0.10

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