A related question on this topic: calculated density curves drop off at different rates even for isoelectronic ions/water. Thus the neighborhood of a mismodeled peak in the error map would be expected to show detectable, non-random, spatial dependence. On the other hand the neighborhood of a well-modeled peak should be indistinguishable from white noise. Though there are statistics (Moran's I, Geary's C ) for testing spatial effects in variable correlation that could be applied to DFc/ 2mFo-DFc correlation, I haven't seen them applied to this problem. Can anyone suggest a relevant reference? This seems a useful adjunct to bond-valence/non-bonding contact methods.
thanks,
Alastair  Fyfe

On 11/09/2013 03:24 AM, Robbie Joosten wrote:
Hi Ed,

WHAT_CHECK checks water that may be ions and also checks the identity of ions 
already built. The check my metal server is also very good for final validation 
of ions.

Cheers,
Robbie

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Van: Edward A. Berry
Verzonden: 9-11-2013 7:29
Aan: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Onderwerp: Re: [ccp4bb] monovalent cation binding sites

Thanks, all!
Ed


Nat Echols wrote:
In the latest Phenix:

mmtbx.water_screen model.pdb data.mtz elements=NA,K

The data are required right now, but I could be convinced to make that optional.

-Nat
Diana Tomchick wrote:
There's a command in coot that identifies "waters" that have an unusually high 
coordination number. You then need to manually inspect the electron density map and bond 
lengths, atom type, etc.

Diana
Shekhar Mande wrote:
Ed, I dont about monovalent metals (they are typically liganded by hydroxyls of 
Ser/Thr,
or the main chain carbonyls).  But we did an analysis of divalent metals in 
proteins, and
found several instances, where crystallographers might have mistaken a metal to 
be a
water.  Thus, in the PDB, what is reported to be a water, might actually turn 
out to be a
metal!  Some of our sites have used to predict functions of proteins, where 
enzyme assays
required addition of metals, and hence, I am gratified that it is useful!  I am 
enclosing
a PDF with this.

We also have a server.

Shekhar
Dunten, Pete W. wrote:
Ed,   O had a command
that scrutinized waters
and helped find metals
modeled as water.

Victor Lamzin has a program
whose name I'be momentarily
forgotten which gives plots of
e-density at atomic centers
versus B-factor,  for each atom
type.  Points off the lines are
candidates for incorrectly
modeled metals.

Pete
Dunten, Pete W. wrote:
See attached and the reference noted therein.

Best wishes, Pete
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Parthasarathy Sampathkumar wrote:
Hi Ed,

WASP analyse water molecules in high-resolution protein structure to check if 
some of
those could be metal ions. WASP could be run as a part of STAN server.
STAN - the STructure ANalysis server from USF (
http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/rama_server.pl )

One could also identity potential metal ions within COOT as well.

HTH,
Best Wishes,
Partha




On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Edward A. Berry <ber...@upstate.edu
<mailto:ber...@upstate.edu>> wrote:

     Is there a server or program to predict binding sites for monovalent metal 
ions?
     Ideally should work with just the protein structure, but a program that 
sorts through
     the waters in a high resolution structure and tells which are likely to be 
K+ or Na+
     would also be of interest.

     Ed


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