what you may have is two alternate conformations - i.e. your current one and 
one with the CD-NE bond rotated 180 degrees. Your density looks like an average 
between these two (to me at least and adaict from your image).

Mark J van Raaij
Lab 20B
Dpto de Estructura de Macromoleculas
Centro Nacional de Biotecnologia - CSIC
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E-28049 Madrid, Spain
tel. (+34) 91 585 4616
http://www.cnb.csic.es/~mjvanraaij





On 15 Apr 2013, at 12:12, Kavyashree Manjunath wrote:

> Sir,
> 
> I have examined the density. Its extremely clear. I am attaching
> the 2FoFc map map of this residue. As I mentioned previously, The
> side chain density was conformed by deleting it and refining.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> Regards
> Kavya
> 
>> Dear Kavya,
>> 
>> I would examine the electron density of your Arginine. It may be present
>> in two alternative conformations and you may have fitted the Arginine in
>> the middle, e.g. with the NH1 in one conformation and the NH2 in the
>> other.
>> 
>> The Arginine may also just be incorrectly fitted. Using Coot with "Auto
>> Fit Rotatmer" and "Real Space Refine Zone" you might be able to correct
>> it. Just using "Regularize Zone" on the Arginine might give hints how the
>> Arginine got distorted. However, before running another round of
>> refinement, it needs to be fitted back in electron density.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Herman
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
>> Kavyashree Manjunath
>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:41 AM
>> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Angle restraints
>> 
>> Sir,
>> 
>> I used RCSB validation server. Deviations are as given below -
>> Deviation  Resi  AT1  -  AT2  -  AT3    Bond    Dict     Std
>>                                         Angle   Value    Dev
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>     3.2    ARG   NE   -  CZ   -  NH1    123.5   120.3    0.5
>>    -3.4    ARG   NE   -  CZ   -  NH2    116.9   120.3    0.5
>> 
>> 
>> Thus its more than 6 sigmas in both the cases. Its not an outlier.
>> zANGL is 0.628 and Rms BondAngle is 1.4077.
>> would you suggest me to ignore this deviation? But will it not be a
>> problem during PDB submission?
>> What is the reason I am getting a deviation like this? Should I reduce the
>> weighing term further down?
>> 
>> Thanking you
>> Regards
>> Kavya
>>> Hi Kavya,
>>> 
>>> Which validation program did you use? How big is the deviation (in
>>> sigma values)?  Is it the only outlier? What is your overall bond angle
>>> rmsZ?
>>> 
>>> Using external restraints is a bit over the top here, especially if it
>>> is the only outlier. If your rmsZ is high (close to or over 1) then
>>> you may want to try tighter geometric restraints overall.
>>> In a normal distribution it is not surprising to find a 'true'
>>> outlier, so if your structure is large you need to worry less.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Robbie
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Kavyashree Manjunath
>>> Sent: 2013-04-15 07:13
>>> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>> Subject: [ccp4bb] Angle restraints
>>> 
>>> Dear users,
>>> 
>>> Validation of a structure showed a deviation in the angle between
>>> atoms NH1-CZ-NE and NH2-CZ-NE in the arginine residue. Several trials
>>> of modification of the orientation failed to solve this problem. I
>>> also confirmed by deleting the side chain and refining, it confirmed
>>> the presence of complete side chain. So I proceeded to use external
>>> restraints for these two angles in refmac5 (version 5.6.0117).
>>> 
>>> The keyword was as follows -
>>> external angle first chain A residue 93 atom NE next chain A residue
>>> 93 atom CZ next chain A residue 93 atom NH1 value 120.3 sigma 0.5
>>> external angle first chain A residue 93 atom NH2 next chain A residue
>>> 93 atom CZ next chain A residue 93 atom NE value 120.3 sigma 0.5
>>> 
>>> Still there is no change in the angle, it continues to have the same
>>> deviation.
>>> 
>>> So kindly suggest whether there is any error in the keyword provided
>>> or other way to handle this problem.
>>> 
>>> Thanking you
>>> Regards
>>> Kavya
>>> 
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