Dom,

You've opened a pandora's box here, which I won't try to contain. The short 
answer is both of the above.

I feel it is becoming increasingly difficult as a referee to be on top of every 
paper I review, and as an editor it is becoming increasingly difficult to find 
willing referees. Both phenomena are diagnostic of the cost of eliminating 
fraudulent publications, which gall me pretty much as much as they do many 
others, but which do not drive me apoplectic, either.

I've been amused over the years by the frantic efforts to bring 
crystallographic charlatans to justice, even as I've been angered by 
publication in high-impact journals of material I myself view as fraudulent, 
but which obviously survives peer review.

On the second of your alternatives, I'll give you two examples of highly 
celebrated frauds that wound up moving science forward, despite their 
scurrilous background. The first is the story of Hasko Paradies, whose only 
legitimate publication, as far as I know, was a first-author paper on the 
crystallization of tRNA. In that paper, he was, I think, the first author to 
describe the use of spermine/spermidine and Mg++ ions in improving 
crystallization conditions. These two contributions proved useful in the actual 
generation by others of suitable crystals. Paradies apparently went on to make 
a habit of filching precession photographs from dark rooms and then presenting 
them elsewhere and at meetings as if he had taken them and as if they were from 
"hot" problems of the day. His story was chronicled by Wayne Hendrickson, Ed 
Lattman, and others in Nature many years later. He dropped out of science and 
became a pediatrician, I believe in Munich, where, despite not having attended 
medical school, he was much beloved by his patients and their families. 
Paradies had been an associate of my own post-doctoral mentor, Sir Aaron Klug. 
I've no way of knowing whether or not he actually faked the data in his report 
of tRNA crystallization. His "crystals" did not diffract in any case, which may 
have driven him to short cuts.

The other celebrated Fraud was Mark Spector, who embarrassed (and indeed 
victimized) Ephraim Racker at Cornell by using 125Iodine to construct gel 
autoradiographs to support his remarkable notion of the use of phosphorylation 
and dephosphorylation in cell signaling. His data were entirely fictitious, but 
it turned out that his ideas were pregnant indeed. I still view the 
cross-checking he provoked in serious students of signaling as having 
stimulated the entire field and actually accelerated it.

Both Paradies and Spector are gifted fakes. Their work deserves appreciation 
for the intelligence that went into the tales they told. A lay homolog was 
Ferdinand Waldo Demara, who had very little formal education, but who 
established himself as outstanding in several fields, including open heart 
surgery, which he performed on a Japanese sailor rescued from after a battle, 
and who had shrapnel very close to his heart. Apparently, the sailor lived, and 
Demara saved his life. His story is told in a wonderful film with Tony Curtis 
in the roll, called The Great Imposter.

I hope I've answered your question about what I meant to say on the subject.

Charlie

On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:25 AM, 
<dom.bell...@diamond.ac.uk<mailto:dom.bell...@diamond.ac.uk>>
 wrote:

Dear Charlie,

Do you mean that small doses of fraud should be accepted as a form of natural 
evolution? Or perhaps you were suggesting that  genuine errors/mistakes are 
acceptable in 1/10000 due to the high costs of spotting them?

D

From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Carter, 
Charlie
Sent: 19 October 2012 13:09
To: ccp4bb
Subject: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] PNAS on fraud



Begin forwarded message:


Date: October 19, 2012 4:40:35 AM EDT
To: Randy Read <rj...@cam.ac.uk<mailto:rj...@cam.ac.uk>>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] PNAS on fraud

This thread has been quite interesting to me. I've had a long interest in 
scientific fraud, which I've generally held to be victimless. While that view 
is unsupportable in a fundamental sense, I feel strongly that we should 
understand that error correction costs exponentially more, the smaller the 
tolerance for errors. In protein synthesis, evolution has settled on error 
rates of ~1 in 4000-10000. Ensuring those rates is already costly in terms of 
NTPs hydrolyzed. NASA peer review provided me another shock:  budgets for 
microgravity experiments were an order of magnitude higher than those for 
ground-based experiments, and most of the increase came via NASA's insistence 
on higher quality control.

Informally, I've concluded that the rate of scientific fraud in all journals is 
probably less than the 1 in 10,000 that (mother) nature settled on.

I concur with Randy.

Charlie

On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Randy Read wrote:


In support of Bayesian reasoning, it's good to see that the data could 
over-rule our prior belief that Nature/Science/Cell structures would be worse!





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