Hi David -

I think you have four hurdles to overcome:

1. How good is a SAXS envelope
2. How will you place it in the right place
3. How will you extend from ~15-20 A to around 4 A
4. How will you extend from 4 A to beyond

Steps 2 and 4 might be the easiest - albeit far from trivial. 
Point 1 can be argued...

However, I have not seen anyone cracking 3 in a convincing manner...
(in the absence of serious NCS)

I hope the next emails prove me wrong though!

A.

On 12 Mar 2012, at 21:10, David Briggs wrote:

> Hi CCP4bb,
> 
> I would like to ask about "envelope phasing" - specifically with SAXS data.
> 
> There are papers (1) and tutorials (2) describing how this might be
> done, but I have also found comments on the ccp4bb, such as this one
> (http://www.proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message11690.html) which
> are somewhat less optimistic.
> 
> I get the impression from my reading around that SAXS envelope phasing
> is somewhat difficult to do unless you have some NCS you can use to
> help the phase extension process. Does anybody have any
> opinions/evidence/examples/anecdotes/tips about how SAXS envelope
> phasing can be done successfully?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 
> (1) - eg - http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?dz5081
> (2) - eg - 
> http://www.phaser.cimr.cam.ac.uk/index.php/Using_Electron_Density_as_a_Model
> 
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