Whoops, I misspoke... I meant Rsym and Rmerge increase with higher 
redundancies. 

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Greg Costakes 
PhD Candidate 
Department of Structural Biology 
Purdue University 
Hockmeyer Hall, Room 320 
240 S. Martin Jischke Drive, West Lafayette, IN 47907 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Tronrud" <det...@uoxray.uoregon.edu> 
To: "Greg Costakes" <gcost...@purdue.edu> 
Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:43:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down 


Is this observation about redundancies a general rule that I missed? 
It seems rather surprising to me. What have results have others seen? 

Dale Tronrud 

On 01/24/12 07:23, Greg Costakes wrote: 
> snip... 

> Higher redundancies (>7 or so) do tend to increase overall R/Rfree. 

> snip... 
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>  
> Greg Costakes 
> PhD Candidate 
> Department of Structural Biology 
> Purdue University 
> Hockmeyer Hall, Room 320 
> 240 S. Martin Jischke Drive, West Lafayette, IN 47907 
> 
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>  
> ** Hard work often pays of in time, but Procrastination always pays off 
> now ** 
> 
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> *From: *"Sam Arnosti" <meisam.nosr...@gmail.com> 
> *To: *CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 23, 2012 4:48:50 PM 
> *Subject: *[ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down 
> 
> Hi every one 
> 
> I have some crystals in the space group P3121. I collect 180 frames of data. 
> 
> My crystals do not diffract better than at most 2.0 angstrom, but the Rf 
> barely goes below 23%, 
> 
> and Rfree also remains somewhere between 28-33%. I have tried to refine 
> my data as much as I can. 
> 
> I do not know whether the problem is because of the bad diffraction or 
> collecting extra frames. 
> 
> The structure factors are also high but they get better as the crystals 
> diffract better. 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Sam 

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