My experience (unpublished) is that XDS works very well for high-mosaicity 
crystals due to the 3-dimensional profile fitting. For low mosaicity crystals, 
I did not notice much of a difference between different programs. However, 
since bad crystals tend to have a high to very high mosaicity, I fully agree 
with Jürgens statement.
 
Best regards,
Herman


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        From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of 
Van Den Berg, Bert
        Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:38 PM
        To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
        Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Merging data to increase multiplicity
        
        
        I have heard this before. I'm wondering though, does anybody know of a 
systematic study where different data processing programs are compared with 
real-life, non-lysozyme data?
        
        Bert
        
        
        On 1/28/11 7:58 AM, "Bosch, Juergen" <jubo...@jhsph.edu> wrote:
        
        

                I was a bit reductive with my statement (iPhone....)
                The equation below is suppose to read:
                If you have bad data, then you need to process with XDS in 
order to get the maximum out of your data.
                
                Thanks Tim,
                
                Jürgen
                
                -
                Jürgen Bosch
                Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
                Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
                Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute
                615 North Wolfe Street, W8708
                Baltimore, MD 21205
                Phone: +1-410-614-4742
                Lab:      +1-410-614-4894
                Fax:      +1-410-955-3655
                http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ <http://web.me.com/bosch_lab/> 
                
                On Jan 28, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:
                
                

                        Dear Jürgen,
                        
                        is this an assignment operator or an equal sign? For if 
it's the latter it could
                        read that the result of processing data with XDS are 
bad data, which is rather
                        rude and probably not what you meant.
                        
                        Tim
                        
                        On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 06:55:43AM -0500, Jürgen Bosch 
wrote:
                        

                                Bad data = processing with XDS
                                
                                Jürgen 
                                
                                ......................
                                Jürgen Bosch
                                Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
                                Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
                                Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute
                                615 North Wolfe Street, W8708
                                Baltimore, MD 21205
                                Phone: +1-410-614-4742
                                Lab:      +1-410-614-4894
                                Fax:      +1-410-955-3655
                                http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/
                                
                                On Jan 28, 2011, at 6:46, José Trincão 
<trin...@dq.fct.unl.pt> wrote:
                                
                                

                                        Hello all,
                                        I have been trying to squeeze the most 
out of a bad data set (P1, anisotropic, crystals not reproducible). I had very 
incomplete data due to high mosaicity and lots of overlaps. The completeness 
was about 80% overall to ~3A. Yesterday I noticed that I could process the data 
much better fixing the mosaicity to 0.5 in imosflm. I got about 95% complete up 
to 2.5A but with a multiplicity of 1.7. I tried to integrate the same data 
fixing the mosaicity at different values ranging from 0.2 to 0.6 and saw the 
trend in completeness, Rmerge and multiplicity.
                                        Now, is there any reason why I should 
not just merge all these together and feed them to scala in order to increase 
multiplicity?
                                        Am I missing something?
                                        
                                        Thanks for any comments!
                                        
                                        Jose
                                        
                                        
                                        José Trincão, PhD    CQFB@FCT-UNL
                                        2829-516 Caparica, Portugal
                                        
                                        "It's very hard to make predictions... 
especially about the future" - Niels Bohr
                                        

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