Hi Derek,

The assymertic unit of the self rotation function is only one hemisphere, for example the north hemisphere. So, if you look on the kappa = 180 °, horizontally in the equator you have the crystallographic axis and 2 perpendicular 2-fold axis on to the other, the one in the near middle is nearly but not really parallel to c*, but sure you will have the symmetric of this 2-fold axis by the crystallogrpahic axis, which is in the list but NOT represented in the stereogramm ...

Ok, hope this is not to confusing .... and that it helps ...

cheers
claudine


Derek Logan wrote:

Hi everyone,

Can anyone help me with interpretation of a self rotation function and native Patterson from a dataset with pseudosymmetry? I've always been a bit poor on spherical polars. The space group is P21 with beta = 92.2°. The kappa=180° section of the SRF, calculated using Molrep, is at

http://mole.mbfys.lu.se/~derek/selfRF_180.png

and contains two big peaks around 7 sigma. I'm having trouble identifying these in the list of peaks from Molrep:

theta phi chi alpha beta gamma Isym_i Isym_j
Sol_RF   1      0.00    0.00    0.00      0.00    0.00    0.00   1   1
Sol_RF   1     90.00  -90.00  180.00      0.00  180.00    0.00   1   2
Sol_RF   1     90.00   90.00  180.00      0.00  180.00    0.00   2   1
Sol_RF   1      0.00    0.00    0.00      0.00    0.00    0.00   2   2
Sol_RF   2    158.56  180.00  180.00      0.00   42.89 -180.00   1   1
Sol_RF   2    111.44    0.00  180.00   -180.00  137.11    0.00   1   2
Sol_RF   2    111.44    0.00  180.00    180.00  137.11    0.00   2   1
Sol_RF   2     21.44    0.00  180.00    180.00  -42.89    0.00   2   2
Sol_RF   3    165.65    0.00  180.00   -180.00   28.70    0.00   1   1
Sol_RF   3    104.35 -180.00  180.00      0.00  151.30  180.00   1   2
Sol_RF   3    104.35  180.00  180.00      0.00  151.30 -180.00   2   1
Sol_RF   3     14.35 -180.00  180.00      0.00  -28.70  180.00   2   2

It seems to me to be two copies of peak 2. I believe theta starts in the middle, perpendicular to the page and phi starts on the x axis, thus the peak just below the centre would be (21.44, 0, 180). I presume that the second peak is the symmetry-related (158.56, 180, 0)? However where is (111.44 0 180)? I would expect to see this near the bottom of the plot, but it's not there. I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental about the symmetry of the SRF projection, but unfortunately I don't have a supervisor to bug about this (I *am* the supervisor...)

In the native Patterson

http://mole.mbfys.lu.se/~derek/nativePatterson.png

there are two peaks of almost equal height. How can this be reconciled with having only one strong peak in the SRF? There are most likely two dimers in the asymmetric unit, but there may only be one, with very high resulting solvent content. What's more the molecules are leucine- rich repeat proteins and have weak internal symmetry. I believe this was an issue with the ribonuclease inhibitor, but looking briefly at the crystallisation article and structure article I wasn't able to find a rationalisation of this problem. The 2-fold is perpendicular to b*. How could this cause the two peaks?

Thanks
Derek






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