Hi Ngo,
 
Obviously, you can spend years optimizing crystallization conditions for
a membrane protein. Or, you may get lucky and do it quickly. In any
case, I would recommend to try, in parallel, collecting data on one of
the micro-diffraction beamlines. We offer such capability at GM/CA-CAT
beamlines at APS (http://www.gmca.anl.gov/ <http://www.gmca.anl.gov/> )
and have had some good success with it (e.g. Nature, 2007 Nov
15;450(7168):383-7, Science, 2007 Nov 23;318(5854):1258-65, Acta Cryst.
(2008). D64, 425-435). There are few more such facilities in the US and
few more in Europe. 
Can you tell what is the size of your needles in cross-section?
Good luck!
Nukri
 

Ruslan Sanishvili (Nukri), Ph.D. 

GM/CA-CAT, Bld. 436, D007 
Biosciences Division, ANL 
9700 S. Cass Ave. 
Argonne, IL 60439 

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From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Van Den Berg, Bert
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Optimization of needle crystals?


Hi Ngo,
 
your needles actually look like very thin plates. They seem promising to
me. From appearance its impossible to tell whether the crystals are
detergent or not. DDM is apparently known to form crystals, but I've
never really gotten any (DDM is very soluble). What temperature have you
used? 4C would favor forming DDM crystals. The round crystals are often
seen in membrane protein crystallization. They generally don't diffract,
contain a lot of detergent (maybe all detergent) and are very hard to
get better (ie get sharp edges and/or diffraction).
What I would do at this point is trying to get the needle/plate crystals
better (by using techniques/tricks that are used for soluble proteins,
such as vary Mg2+ salt conc and identity, temperature, volume/reservoir
ratio, protein conc. and even trying different detergents and/or
mixtures including DDM). For now I would go with the assumption that the
crystals are protein. 
 
Good luck!
 
Bert van den Berg
University of Massachusetts Medical School
Program in Molecular Medicine
Biotech II, 373 Plantation Street, Suite 115
Worcester MA 01605
Phone: 508 856 1201 (office); 508 856 1211 (lab)
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.umassmed.edu/pmm/faculty/vandenberg.cfm

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From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Ngo Duc Tri
Sent: Wed 4/16/2008 9:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Optimization of needle crystals?


Dear experts,




        You didn't mention which detergent in the conditions. From the
picture it looks
        like crystals of detergent. 



The initial buffer contains  50mM Tris 7.7, 100mM NaCl and 0.015% DDM. 

I got two forms of crystal: needle and round shape. 
The needle crystals grow from conditions containing Mg2+ salt and high
pH.
The round crystal grow from conditions containing Mg2+, high pH and
small PEG.

I already fail to optimize the round shape (by changing the PEG
concentration as well as pH or protein concentration). So that's the
reason why I think about optimization of the needle form. 

Here I attach more pictures to show you the needle and the round
crystal. I never applied powder diffraction before so maybe it's hard
for me to confirm it's the crystal of detergent or not.

Thank you very much for all of your helpful suggestion!

My best regards,
TriNgo
PhD Student- Sungkyunkwan University, Korea

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