as long as I can "debug ip ospf adj", "debug ppp authentication", and "debug ip 
routing" I am happy :)



________________________________
 From: Jay McMickle <[email protected]>
To: George Leslie <[email protected]> 
Cc: IPExpert Study List <[email protected]> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Troubleshooting section on R&S exam
 
I think your "pal" was being a bit hard on you! If you can learn to live on 
only worms, would you? Nah.

I like the dedication and determination you've got. That will get you very far. 
Good luck.

Regards,
Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
Sent from iJay

On May 30, 2012, at 9:06 AM, George Leslie <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Hi all,OK the reason I asked. A colleague set me up a troubleshooting lab.  
> All commands were authorized via TACACS.   "show run", "show start", "more 
> nvram:running-config" etc etc etc were ALL banned.  There was AAA accounting 
> on there was well, and any attempt to use them was an instant fail. As was 
> any piped version.  So: "show runn | s ospf" was banned."show runn | b 0/1/0" 
> was banned"show runn | i pim" was banned. You get the idea.  You not only had 
> to use other command to find out what the problem was, BUT, you could not see 
> the syntax of an offending command to remove it!!  If necessary, you had to 
> get all parameters from show commands, get syntax from docCD, issue the "no" 
> version blind, issue the proper version and could only verify by other 
> command than "show runn". The lab was a full CCIE mock: 2 hours, 10 
> tickets....80% pass mark. I challenge you:  next time you do either a config 
> lag or a troubleshoot lab, see how far you get before
 you have to...or would norma
ll
> y....resort to a "show run" or variant!!!! For all the "purists" out there, I 
> think it will come as a bit of a shock!!  Happy labbing. Regards George.
> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:48:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Troubleshooting section on R&S exam
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]
> 
> One thing to  be careful with show run is that they could put in fake 
> access-lists, route-maps, etc. These take you some time to figure out they 
> aren't actually causing your problem.
> Maybe you see an access-list that denies OSPF. Ah ha! you think, surely this 
> is why my neighbor isn't coming up. A minute later you find that the 
> access-list isn't called anywhere. Now you have spent an extra minute and are 
> still no closer to a solution.
> 
> That said, sometimes the fastest way to find the issue is show run. For 
> instance I think that a "show run int s0/1" is a great way to start 
> troubleshooting a frame relay problem. 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Jay McMickle <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> No limitations.
> 
> 
> 
> I think Marc Abel said it the other day about ACL's, too. Don't remove them 
> if they are the issue. Simply prepend the appropriate statement in a higher 
> sequence to make it work.
> 
> 
> 
> Troubleshooting is a difficult area to state don't use "sh run". However, it 
> should be the last measure. If you are told to reach a router from a router, 
> think routing protocols, tables, and reachability. A sh ip route x x, or a sh 
> run | s router or sh ip protocols would be your first check. If the route 
> exists, go to the next item- remote device route filtering, interface ACL, 
> traceroute, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> An instructor once told me- Take a quick guess after thinking about a top 3 
> issues list. Take a quick look, and then think about what type of command it 
> would be that would cause the issue. Is it a global command or interface 
> command. That idea was the best single piece of advice I received.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In summary- think about the sections of the config that would be the problem, 
> after thinking about the technology that would enable it. Then, view only 
> those sections and resolve it and move on.
> 
> 
> 
> The secret of my success was repetition, multiple vendors, and labbing, 
> labbing, followed by labbing. I logged 150+ hours of actual rack time the 5 
> weeks leading up to my lab, with no days off. I was labbing 4+ hours a day, 
> and it paid off. Don't get relaxed about fulfilling your dream. Go get it- 
> sleep later!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Happy labbing!
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> 
> Sent from iJay
> 
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2012, at 4:30 AM, George Leslie <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Hi all,Very simple question! On the troubleshooting section of the real 
>> exam, are you barred from using "show runn" or "show start"? Reason I ask is 
>> that lots of verification you see in the lab books and the videos tend to 
>> shy away from using show runn etc. I just wondered if this was to try and 
>> build good habits, or out of necessity due to show runn being not allowed? 
>> Regards, George.
> 
> 
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