Please don't take your conversation off line as I find your various points of view on this issue fascinating.
Candace Cornell On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:34 PM John Luther Cisne <john.ci...@cornell.edu> wrote: > If I’m not mistaken, we can all agree that Global Warming isn’t just for > the birds. > > > > *From: *<bounce-124949961-77975...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of John < > john.ci...@cornell.edu> > *Reply-To: *John <john.ci...@cornell.edu> > *Date: *Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 11:50 AM > *To: *david nicosia <daven1...@yahoo.com>, "Kevin J. McGowan" < > k...@cornell.edu>, Peter Saracino <petersarac...@gmail.com>, Jody Enck < > jodye...@gmail.com> > *Cc: *"atvaw...@gmail.com" <atvaw...@gmail.com>, CAYUGABIRDS-L < > cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [cayugabirds-l] New Mexico Mass Motality > > > > Apparently you don’t know that the old Department of Atmospheric Sciences > merged with the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences years ago. > EAS continues to offer the former CALS department’s Atmospheric Sciences > major. > > > > *From: *david nicosia <daven1...@yahoo.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 9:01 PM > *To: *"Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu>, Peter Saracino < > petersarac...@gmail.com>, Jody Enck <jodye...@gmail.com>, John < > john.ci...@cornell.edu> > *Cc: *"atvaw...@gmail.com" <atvaw...@gmail.com>, CAYUGABIRDS-L < > cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [cayugabirds-l] New Mexico Mass Motality > > > > Let's get back to birds. This is a birding listserve. I have studied this > at length and disagree. I do believe in man-made global warming but I don't > believe it causes record cold. The climate has warmed 1C so we still can > see record cold with our current climate. The frequency is less though, not > more. Most meteorologists I know also don't agree that record cold is > consistent with global warming. Some climatologists do. If you want to > discuss further, please direct the emails offline and not on the entire > listserve. I would be happy to discuss this issue (again offline) with the > Dept Atmospheric Science folks at Cornell too if you want. I know most of > them well. They are good people and also very intelligent. > > > > Best > > Dave Nicosia > > > > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 08:41:37 PM EDT, John Luther Cisne < > john.ci...@cornell.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Record cold over North America is indeed consistent with global warming. > It is a regional consequence of the global phenomenon. > > > > To explain it simply (as I was supposed to do in the elementary course I > taught of years and years, “Evolution of the Earth and Life”), the > principle of the thing is that Arctic Basin warms not only by importing > warm air from the south, mainly over oceans, but also by exporting cold air > to the south, mainly over continents. Export of air from the north makes > space for import of air from the south, so to speak. For now, at least, > the export of cold air from the Arctic is concentrated over North America. > > > > Certain of my colleagues in the Department Earth and Atmospheric Sciences > will be able to give everyone a far better and more detailed explanation. > > > > > > *From: *<bounce-124948208-77975...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of "Kevin > J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu> > *Reply-To: *"Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:03 PM > *To: *david nicosia <daven1...@yahoo.com>, Peter Saracino < > petersarac...@gmail.com>, Jody Enck <jodye...@gmail.com> > *Cc: *"atvaw...@gmail.com" <atvaw...@gmail.com>, CAYUGABIRDS-L < > cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> > *Subject: *RE: [cayugabirds-l] New Mexico Mass Motality > > > > “Record cold of this magnitude is not consistent with global warming. “ > > > > Why not? Global warming doesn’t mean warming happens all over the globe > evenly. I’ve been watching our area in the northeast for the last decade, > thinking mostly about Snowy Owl incursions, and I’ve noticed strange > changes in the distribution of cold across the arctic, perhaps changes in > the “polar vortex” that seem to isolate the NE as a cold spot while Alaska > warms up. The last ten years have shown Ithaca regularly with winter > temperatures lower than Nome, Alaska. That isn’t right. > > > > Global warming at the poles doesn’t mean every place warms up, it means > that the consistencies of weather patterns we could count on could be > disrupted. Colder Ithaca winters and heat waves in Alaska are totally > consistent with a global warming scenario. Freak arctic blasts into the > rockies while the north pole melts also points to something freakishly > abnormal happening, totally consistent with global warming. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > *From:* bounce-124948138-3493...@list.cornell.edu < > bounce-124948138-3493...@list.cornell.edu> *On Behalf Of *david nicosia > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:46 PM > *To:* Peter Saracino <petersarac...@gmail.com>; Jody Enck < > jodye...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* atvaw...@gmail.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] New Mexico Mass Motality > > > > The western U.S has a history of extreme temperature changes. This event > ranks number 3 for the biggest temperature swing in history and it occurred > during fall migration. Most of the other big swings in temperature > > occurred in the winter. What is dramatic is how cold it got and the early > snows that fell. Temperatures in parts of the Rockies fell to 9F with winds > over 50 mph. That is insanely cold for so early in the season. The Arctic > high pressure that came across the Rockies has denser and heavier air which > flows downslope into California, and Oregon warming by compression leading > to high winds and VERY dry conditions. This fuels the tremendous fires. So > in a sense it is the brutal unseasonable cold air that is the real cause of > the conditions that caused the fires. I assume the fires, combined with > temperatures in the 80, 90s and 100s dropping to the teens 20s and 30s in > many areas in the Rockies with early snows was too much for many birds to > handle causing the high mortality rates. I have read that people are > blaming climate change on this. I don't see it because it is the intense > cold that really fueled the fires in CA and OR and probably had a negative > effect on the birds. Record cold of this magnitude is not consistent with > global warming. > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:18:09 PM EDT, Jody Enck < > jodye...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thank, Pete, for passing along the Guardian article. Additional > information has been forthcoming recently. Hypotheses include movements > related to smoky conditions in some states, coupled with those weird > temperature swings recorded last week (90 to 100 F one day and below > freezing, with snow, the next day). Seems less likely to be a nefarious > even (e.g., poisoning) than something more likely caused by challenging > environmental factors. > > > > I hope more information comes out soon. > > > > Jody W. Enck, PhD > > Conservation Social Scientist, and > > Founder of the Sister Bird Club Network > > 607-379-5940 > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Peter Saracino <petersarac...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/16/birds-falling-out-of-the-sky-in-mass-die-off-in-south-western-us-aoe > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 6:47 PM Tom <atvaw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just learned of the mass mortality of migrating birds in New Mexico. I > read a CNN report. Is there any new information on the cause? 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