I guess it's time for me to junk the ISDN PRI gear I've got in my garage.

On 2/13/24 20:33, wb5itt via BVARC wrote:
When VOIP first came out, the trick was to set the fax machine to the speed below the fastest it could handle. If the modem was capable of 14400, locking it at 12600 or even 9,600 usually gave you reliable communications... Usually..

One of my early Vonage boxes allowed me to run up to 1200 baud on a dialup modem but t on a long download eventually led to just gibberish and a hang up. Even dialing into a ROLM CBX telephone switch at 300 baud was hit and miss on a long download

The phone companies, especially AT&T, originally intended to do away with copper POTS back in 2020 but that got pushed back.  After Hurricane Sandy did its number on New York, the phone companies like Verizon and Frontier stated no more new copper there...

ISDN BRI has been going away though it never really caught on for residential use.. radio stations used it a lot for high quality audio transport from remote sites but when the lines went from $55 a month to over a thousand a month it was time to say goodbye..

ISDN PRI service has been going away for years. Around 2008, AT&T in Texas was promoting it with a real cheap rate for businesses to get off T1s for phone service. I upgraded the Centerpoint office in New Braunfels and save them $700 a month!!

But it's time was limited as IP took over..


Chris WB5ITT



Sent via my Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone..so there! 😂


-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Watson via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
Date: 2/13/24 6:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>
Cc: Tom Watson <k5qb....@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service

Is there a way to run a fax machine over VoIP?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 3:19 PM Jeff Greer via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

    At work, we're having to convert all our old POTS lines to VoIP. 
    The telcos don't want to spend the money to keep the old copper
    phone lines working.  You'll still be able to have a VoIP phone at
    home, but it'll be useless if you lose Internet.

    All the more reason to know how to get a message out via ham
    radio.  😉

    -j

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    *From:* BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> on behalf of AOL/
    CompuServe Mail via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
    *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
    *To:* bvarc@bvarc.org <bvarc@bvarc.org>; bvarc@bvarc.org
    <bvarc@bvarc.org>
    *Cc:* AOL/ CompuServe Mail <gmuller...@aol.com>;
    m733sha...@gmail.com <m733sha...@gmail.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
    To all
     I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel
    phone for hard of hearing

    In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
    bvarc@bvarc.org writes:

        Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on
        getting rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide
        to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
        Sent from my iPhone

            On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
            <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

        I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline
        phones were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even
        though I haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the
        power of having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so
        this story just adds that extra validation of the importance
        of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

        When all else fails, Ham Radio.

        “Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT&T copper
        retirement plan | Ars Technica
        
<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

        Enjoy!

        73

        Chris/AC5CM

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    CompuServe Mail via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org>
    *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:25 PM
    *To:* bvarc@bvarc.org <bvarc@bvarc.org>; bvarc@bvarc.org
    <bvarc@bvarc.org>
    *Cc:* AOL/ CompuServe Mail <gmuller...@aol.com>;
    m733sha...@gmail.com <m733sha...@gmail.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] the phase out of landline phone service
    To all
     I have a land line and need to keep it since I have a captel
    phone for hard of hearing

    In a message dated 2/8/2024 2:38:27 PM Central Standard Time,
    bvarc@bvarc.org writes:

        Yeah, I’ve had a landline for years and I don’t plan on
        getting rid of it anytime soon but unfortunately they decide
        to pull it. They’re gonna pull it.
        Sent from my iPhone

            On Feb 8, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC
            <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

        I heard this story in the news this week.. that landline
        phones were being phased out.. that cellular is king… and even
        though I haven’t had a home landline in years, I do know the
        power of having one in times of infrastructural crisis… so
        this story just adds that extra validation of the importance
        of Ham Radio in the event of infrastructure outage.

        When all else fails, Ham Radio.

        “Don’t let them drop us!” Landline users protest AT&T copper
        retirement plan | Ars Technica
        
<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/dont-let-them-drop-us-landline-users-protest-att-copper-retirement-plan/>

        Enjoy!

        73

        Chris/AC5CM

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