>> when professor Librescu saved his students' 
>> lives at the cost of his own".

> The sort of thing that happens every day in Iraq...

Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
Ahhhhhhhhh......no it doesn't.....no no no.....not at
all.

> I can't help but feel  frustrated that while they
were 
> so quick to identify with the victims of that
insanity,
> where are the memorials to the mostly college-age  
>people who are sacrificing themselves in the war? 
> If it makes sense to identify with unwilling victims
> of senseless violence, doesn't it make even more  
> sense to identify with those who willingly put 
> themselves in harm's way, even if you believe that
> the cause in Iraq is just as senseless as the crime
>  in Virginia?

Nick? Are you weirding out on us?
What would ever make you think that people do not
identify with our 
soldiers and their families?
My wife and I discuss that particular issue regularly.
And more, my 
wife in particular goes out of her way to befriend the
wives of 
military men.
Even the most strongly anti-war folks I know take
pride in our 
military people.

There have been quite a few memorials to our fighting
soldiers of the 
sort held at Stanford for the VT victims (among other
places) over the 
last few years. Where have you been?
The only reason there is not some hulking physical
monument to our 
Veterans of Iraq is that the war is not over yet.

BTW, Happy Patriot Day!

> David Brin has written and spoken much about 
> "otherness."  One of the most discouraging things
> about living with Wes' sacrifice in Iraq -- and all
> the others' -- is that they seem to be treated by  
< most people as "other,"  rather than the strong
> identification that students have with those killed 
> in Virginia.

Bah.........you underestimate one and overestimate the
other.

> Right now, I feel like shouting at every college
student
> who is thinking,  "That could have been me," to
consider 
> that the same is true for the 3,300+ who made the 
> ultimate sacrifice in Iraq.

Big difference Nick.
You have to choose to join the military to go to Iraq
to be shot at. 
The students and staff of VT were given no choice in
the matter.
rob

i believe that almost all of the american public do
support the troops, EVEN those of us who protest this
war vehemently.

what professor librescu did is equivalent to falling
on a grenade to save his comrades.

it is true that sort of thing does not happen every
day in iraq but over time the loss of american lives
is much higher than these shooting incidents.  

that is not to minimize the tragedy of what happened
in the space of a few hours in blacksburg.

on the other hand we should recognize the loss of
lives in iraq, provide better logiistical support, and
followup care for the wounded and traumatized.  

even if many of those soldiers were duped into
joining, it does it lessen the hard reality that those
who trusted our president and volunteered to serve,
are heroes.  

my generation didn't have a choice, we were drafted. 

--jlm


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