On Aug 17, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Dan Minette wrote:

[I elided the quotes from Benzimm because there's no point arguing with someone else's words]

That is the core of the argument: the neocon caused us to go to war for the
sake of Israel is a anti-Semitic argument.  Gautam, Zimmy, and I are in
full agreement on this.

Two things: One, I don't think pointing to *any* power cabal and suggesting (even insinuating) that they've somehow seized control of the US government is indicative of any kind of ism, though it might be a sign of deranged thinking.

There's plenty of that afoot; the far right thinks the "liberals" have too much control; the far left thinks the "conservatives" have too much control. The Klan and neo-nazis think "race traitors" are calling the shots and the tinfoil hat crowd believe it's all aliens and/or mind control.

I can readily identify two hallmarks of the thinking being done by *all* the aforementioned groups: (1). Belief that there's some kind of shadowy group which is brokering power or controlling tone and purpose in any given setting; and (2). Willingness to seize any scrap of data, regardless of how tenuous, and proclaim that it is "proof" or at least "evidence" of such a shadowy group's existence.

A correlate of (2) is the willingness to quote out of context, distort or falsely attribute statements whenever it's convenient to do so, and then refuse to accept any later corrections or retractions by suggesting that the "true nature" of a given person's thoughts was somehow "betrayed" a la a Freudian slip.

But all this behavior is skating the edge of paranoia.

Two, it seems to me that of the three people you've mentioned, one is hair-trigger sensitive to anything that might seem even vaguely anti-semitic; one appears to be using that argument solely to tar an opposing viewpoint with an ism to make it look ugly; and one appears to be sliding into willingness to believe in Vast Conspiracies working at all levels of US government and social structure.

Sensitivity to anti-semitism, when one is Jewish, is understandable. It's easy for me to put myself into that position too, to see how it's possible to be, perhaps, a little *too* willing to see an ism where none may be intended.

And we're talking about an old bigotry, one that has deep and vicious history in places where one would hope it couldn't grow, let alone flourish. But the problem with a charge like this one is that it's very easy to make, and frankly I'm not willing yet to make such a charge. Nor, I believe, should any Jewish person -- because it becomes a bit too much like crying wolf, and because the very sensitivity we're talking about here might distort perspectives sufficiently to prevent an objective (reasonably so) determination of motivations being made.

It's entirely feasible that Sheehan, *assuming she made the statements attributed to her* (that has yet to be verified), was intending to target what she saw as a power group without any thought as to any sort of ethnicity or other ism that might be attributed either to that group or to her (alleged) statements.

Put another way, I sometimes think that the ACLU gets a little too strident in some situations. They've certainly done a lot of good protecting the rights of a lot of minorities (including mine), but I retain the right to criticize them without being accused of being anti-this or anti-that. Just because I sometimes question the decisions made by the ACLU doesn't mean I hate gays, blacks, Jews and so on, any more than my willingness to wonder about the utility of some ADA provisions means I hate the handicapped.

As for a willingness to align to a charge because it's politically expedient: Sorry, but I see more than a little evidence of this here. There's obviously a lot of smearing going on from supporters and detractors of Sheehan, which is pretty convenient because it takes attention away from the core issue: An unjustified war, one that the current administration is guilty of leading us into.

It's awfully convenient to be able to fling mud rather than address the main topic, and that's what I see a lot of happening here, unfortunately. It's extremely disappointing.

Finally, there simply are not Vast Conspiracies controlling any angle of life in the US. Believing that the "left" is somehow able to control thought in the US is as foolish as believing that a "neo-con" think tank is doing the same.

If there *is* anything like a power cabal pulling strings in this country, it is what it *always has been*: Constituted of the extraordinarily wealthy. But even that claim doesn't hold up long under scrutiny, I think.

(For example: If you really want to look at who's got power and discredit the idea of centralization of power, try looking at self-defined clusters of people. There are several: The religious, the rich and the umbrellas that cover minorities are just three, and there are times when these loose aggregates appear to clash with one another, or even appear to be in support of some goal or other that suggests a sort of organized, strategic thinking.

(But if you look into the details of only these three tenuous sets, you see immediately that they're composed of constituents which have wildly variant agendas. This doth not an effective conspiracy make, yet we tend to want to see them anyway, possibly because of our ancient pattern-recognition software.)

Turning back to where you got your information, the question is not so much why someone who gives an interview in Vanity Fair is well known, its why an undersecretary of defense would be in a position where Vanity Fair would think he's newsworthy. His profile was originally raised by his opponents,
with anti-Semitic innuendo.

Do you have references to back this claim, or is it entirely off the cuff? (Not that his opponents raised his profile; that may well be true -- but rather, that it was an anti-semitic plot.)


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