----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless


> On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless
> >
> >> In the piece cited by this Bush apologist, I do not find the claim of
> >> anti-Semitism claim that you assert. He quotes her noting the PNAC
> >> pro-
> >> Israel basis for the war as a reason that her child died. Do you
> >> confuse
> >> her rejection of blind support for Israel as anti-Semitism? I guess it
> >> is no longer permitted to criticize Israel. I'm sick of people
> >> shouting
> >> anti-Semitism every time Israel is criticized.
> >
> > That's not what goes on, David.  It's when lies about the Jews that
> > have
> > their roots in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (actually they
> > predate that by a good bit but it's the basic source for much of the
> > modern Jewish conspiricy theory comes from) are repeated.  One of the
> > classics is that the conspiricy of Jews are secretly controlling the
> > great nations for their own purpose.
>
> You mean they're not? ;-) Thank you for the additional information.
> I'll try to hear such exchanges more clearly in the future.

Out of curiosity, how else would you interpret this:

<quote from Cindy>
Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was
killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son
joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know
full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed
by George [W.] Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after
9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists
hate our freedoms and democracy.not for the real reason, because the
Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That
hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq.in fact it has
gotten worse.

<end quote>

It appears to me that this is pretty much in line with David Duke's
arguments.  One problem with this is the fact that the original group that
was called neo-con were Jewish people who changed allegiance to the
Republican party when they saw the Democrats as becoming anti-self defense.
(I'm not saying that their view is right, but it was their view.)  The
accusation is, like DB's, a claim of high treason; somewhat akin to the
Bircher's claim that Eisenhower and Kennedy were secret Communists.

I differ strongly on many points with GWB.  But, I would not ally myself
with whomever was his enemy.  For me, he is not like Hitler was for
Churchill (He said "I'm make a pack with the devil himself to defeat
Hitler"  when asked about working with Stalin.)  I'm closer to being on
GWB's side than folks who think Milosovitch was a hero.

Dan M.


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