On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:23:43 -0400, JDG wrote

> I would respond by noting that you seem to agree that Christians are 
> called to do justice.   I think that Christians should stop 
> dictators if to do so would be justice.   For example, if a dictator 
> is killing his own citizens, and we have the power to save those 
> lives from that killing, is it not just to do so?    Even if it 
> requires the use of force?

This discussion has never been about whether or not to intervene (no matter 
how many times people try to reduce it to that), it is about *how* to 
intervene and why there is a moral presumption against war.  For me, it has 
been about faith that regards war as failure, rather than pro-war 
triumphalism.

> Therfore, we could 
> reasonably conclude that continuing these policies would likely not 
> result in the removal of Saddam Hussein for several years -
>  particularly based on our experiences in Cuba, DPRK, and elsewhere.

Reasonable people have reached other conclusions as well.  

Nick
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