On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:21:37PM -0600, Gary Denton wrote:

> Accountants have denounced the infinite years PV method.

Do you have a cite of a mainstream accountant writing that present
value accounting for infinite money streams is a "big lie" or totally
meaningless?

Respected economists have been using the technique extensively for over
15 years. It is not just a Bush administration invention. See, for
example

Laurence Kotlikoff _The Coming Generational Storm_

   "Generational accounting may sound new, but it's been around for
   about fifteen years and has been applied in roughly thirty countries.
   The International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the Bank of England
   and Her Majesty's Treasury, the German Bundesbank, the European
   Union, the Treasury of New Zealand, the Bank of Japan, and the
   Finance Ministry of Norway are some of the official institutions that
   have sponsored generational accounting studies."

Dr. Jagadeesh Gokhale (former senior economic adviser to the Federal Reserve
Bank of Cleveland) http://www.cato.org/people/gokhale.html

Dr. Kent Smetters (Associate Professor at Wharton, former economist for
the Congressional Budget Office 1995-98)
http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/faculty/smetters.html

http://www.aei.org/docLib/20030723_SmettersFinalCC.pdf

   "Many, if not most, analysts and policymakers use traditional fiscal
   measures such as debt held by the public, deficit projections over
   limited (usually five- or ten-year) horizons, or seventy-fiveyear
   estimates of Social Security and Medicare financial shortfalls.  2
   Some budget analysts acknowledge that short-term measures such as
   national debt and deficits are inadequate, as they significantly
   understate the financial shortfall that the federal government faces
   under today.s fiscal policies.3 As a consequence, the degree to which
   current policy is unsustainable remains hidden from policymakers. In
   addition, we argue here, reliance on traditional measures introduces
   a policy bias favoring current debt minimization at the expense of
   policies that are sounder from a long-term perspective. Even under
   seventy-five-year budget measures, we believe the federal fiscal
   shortfall would be significantly understated, hindering objective
   fiscal policymaking. Nevertheless, official budgeting agencies
   continue to promote such measures: The recently published Budget of
   the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2004 (hereafter Budget)
   reports seventy-five-year .actuarial deficiency. measures for Social
   Security and Medicare.

   We propose that federal budget agencies such as the Office of
   Management and Budget and the Congressional Budget Office should
   begin reporting a pair of measures on a regular basis to track
   the true costs of current fiscal policy: Fiscal Imbalance (FI)
   and Generational Imbalance (GI). The FI measure for the federal
   government is the current federal debt held by the public plus
   the present value in today.s dollars of all projected federal
   non-interest spending, minus all projected federal receipts. The
   FI measure indicates the amount in today.s dollars by which fiscal
   policy must be changed in order to be sustainable: A sustainable
   fiscal policy requires FI to be zero.4 The GI measure indicates how
   much of this imbalance is caused, in particular, by past and current
   generations.

   The FI measure is similar to the standard perpetuity .open-group
   liability. concept that is sometimes used to analyze shortfalls in
   social insurance programs, while the GI measure is similar to the
   standard .closed-group liability. concept. The FI measure is also
   sometimes called the .fiscal gap. (see Auerbach, Gale, Orszag, and
   Potter 2003).  We argue here that the FI and GI measures together
   possess several desirable properties, the most important being that
   they render policy decisions free of the aforementioned bias because
   they enable comparisons of alternative policies on a neutral footing.

   ....

   Of the current federal FI of $44.2 trillion, Social Security.s FI is
   about $7 trillion in present value. Medicare's FI is $36.6 trillion
   (for both Parts A and B), of which Part A (the Hospital Insurance
   program) contributes $20.5 trillion and Part B (the Supplementary
   Medical Insurance program) contributes $16.1 trillion.5 By contrast,
   the rest of the federal government.s FI is only $0.5 trillion, which
   comprises a $4.6 trillion surplus in revenues minus obligations to
   Social Security, Medicare, and publicly held debt of $5.1 trillion."


If you are unsure of the meaning of the present value of an infinite
stream of cash flows, then here is an equivalent phrasing:

A deficit of $7 trillion in present value, at a nominal interest rate of
5%, corresponds to an annual deficit, every year, of $350 billion. In
other words, if we don't fix social security by decreasing benefits
sometime in the future, then we need to invest an extra $350 billion a
year, every year, to be able to meet social securities obligations in
the future. So, even if we fixed the budget deficit without touching
social security, we would then have another $350B a year deficit (more
than half the current budget deficit) to take care of.

> The Bush tax cuts created an over $10,000,000,000,000 deficit by the
> same method.

Yes, they have (I saw your correction). The budget deficit urgently
needs to be fixed. So does SS. So does Medicare/medicaid. Let's get to
work. Bush won the election, so he gets to choose the order of attack.

By the way, do you have a plan for fixing the budget deficit that is
more coherent than "raise taxes on the rich"? Or do you just like to
whine about Bush?


-- 
Erik Reuter   http://www.erikreuter.net/
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