----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: From the Guardian


> --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The enemy of my enemy surely is my friend?
> >
> > Nick
>
> No.  That seems to me the belief of some of the
> European left which - asked to choose between Islamic
> terroism and the US - seems to kind of prefer the
> terrorists.  How you got that from my statement I have
> no idea.

I think I see it: Nick sees your reasoning as "Bush is the enemy of those
that hate the US, thus he must be good for the US."  The main problem I see
with this type of reasoning is that it is somewhat dependant on the
analytical capabilities of the European left.  People who do evil can still
have wonderful analytical judgement...so they could be used as a
counter-indicator.  The folks who write in the Guardian, for example, have
very suspect judgement.  Thus, I don't think they can be effectively used
as a counter-indicator.

I've read a good deal of a sub-section of the European Left in the twin
list (Culture).  Not everyone is there, of course, but the mean of Culture
is both far to the left and very libertarian....the cognative dissonence
involved with that is generally ignored.

The general feel I have is that they believe that the establishment of the
Rule of Law in Europe is a shining example of how things Should Be
Done....they see Bush as the main opponent of the rule of law.  They see
him as someone who wants the US to do whatever it wants whenever it wants;
laws be damned.

I tend to think their judgement on this is a bit off.  Others who have duel
list citizenship can correct me on this, but that is my impression.


Dan M.



Dan M.


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