On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:20:04 -0500, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JDG wrote:
> >
> > At 05:56 PM 8/8/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
> > >> In the meantime, it is a bit grating for an office-holder of another
> > >> Church, a Church whose raison d'etre is opposition to Catholicism,
> > >
> > >no, the raison d'etre is following Jesus, the Christ, the son of the
> > >living God.
> >
> > But following it in a way that is not consistent with the way the Catholic
> > Church is following it.
> >
> > Look, I am explicitly using Catholic with a capitol "C", not a lowercase
> > "c." After all, isn't it a basic truism of all Christians that they
> > believe that they are members of the true, universal, catholic Church?
>
> It's in the Nicene creed. ("Holy, catholic and apostolic church" is
> what is said in the Episcopal church in the US. I suppose I could go
> upstairs and see what it is they say in New Zealand; I was given a New
> Zealand prayerbook as a present....)
>
> Are there some groups of Christians that don't adhere to the Nicene
> creed? If so, what is their belief on this matter?
>
Yes, but they are heretics.
> (Was the Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox split over the Nicene creed?
Yes, among other things including what type of Wonder Bread to use.
This is the filioque question - rather to add from the Father "and the
Son" to strengthen the Trinity position.
> Was there some other split over the Nicene creed? What were the points
> of contention?)
Nicene Creed was formulated in 325 to combat the more popular (me- and
more correct!) Arianism as well as the more sensible Sabbellianism and
the Creed was expanded and reaffirmed in 381. Other councils were
held in 431and 451 to outlaw other politically incorrect positions. In
569 they added the filioque clause. The Easter Churchs, in a more
biblical fundamentalist position, said the Bible says from the Father.
Since I am a UU - formed from the merger of two creedless churchs
this is a matter of great fun for me.
>
> Julia
>
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