--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
> > --- Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> > > Jan Coffey wrote:
> > > >--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s881312.htm
> > > > > Colour vision means pheromones unnecessary

<snipped most>

> > > >Simply becouse one sense is more importatnt
> than other doesn't necisarily
> > > >mean that the other does not still play a part.
> > >
> > >
> > > My main thought when I read the article was that
> if human females _did_
> > > have an area of skin which changed color in
> order to signal to males that
> > > they were, ahem, "receptive", the fashion and
> > > cosmetics industries would
> > > have long since taken full advantage.... 

> > Perish that thought!  Although I think there *is*
> > something to lipstick as a signaler, otherwise
> we'd just use neutral chapstick...
> 
> I always thought that the purpose of lipstick was to
> make lips 'stand
> out and appear more perfectly formed' but that it
> wasn't necessarily the
> color that acted as a signaler but instead, the
> shape and structure.
> IOW, Men desire feminine, kissable lips (which
> usually means fuller and
>plumper) and colored lipstick can give this illusion.

> 
> I could be wrong tho.  

Thought Experiment: Picture a gorgeous, sexy woman,
hair tumbling wildly about her face, looking at you
through sultry, lowered eyelids...she draws a deep,
slow breath through parted vermilion lips...

Now, if her lips are bright purple, or cornflower
blue, or **babypoop green**, will that enhance, divert
or have no effect on your train-of-thought?  ;)
(she's *human* BTW, not some hot space chick! <grin>)

> > > (My secondary thought was that cats and dogs....
<snip> 

> > Horses are bichromatic as well; stallions perform
> a peculiar-looking 'curled lip sniff' called flehmen
<snip> 
> 
> BTW, I was under the impression that *all* cats,
> equines and bovines
> could flehmen.  Isn't it a species-specific trait? 
> (I promise not to go
> off on another 'what's a species?' tangent.) :) 

AFAIK you are correct, but I wasn't going to look it
up, and didn't want to claim something I couldn't back
up with hard data, considering... ;)

> > The medical literature is contradictory in this
> area;  I personally think that chemical
communication
> *does*
> > occur among humans, but its role has been diluted
> >by verbal and cultural overlays.  

I should have said "visual" too, but I mentally lumped
that into "cultural" as I was writing (I tend to
visualze a great deal when writing, so everything I
think doesn't make it through the fingers! :} )
 
> I totally agree with you.  
> 
> > Anecdotally, pay
> > attention at the office to when different people
> >are "on" --  others will stop by their cubicle/desk
> >more often, laugh or talk with the "on" person
more,
> > It does happen to me, and I think there is a
> > twice-a-month surge - although as I said, it's
> purely
> > a subjective observation.  However, an experiment
> >with cameras etc _could_ be devised to investigate
> > this more objectively.

Another one, probably best done using nursing/med
students, would be to track women whose cycles are
irregularly irregular (and not due to conditions such
as thyroid disorders or polycystic ovarian syndrome),
and see how many 'convert' to regular ovulation when
they have a boyfriend/daily contact with a significant
male friend.  Do their cycles become irregular again
if they break up with the guy?  And re-regularize with
the next boyfriend?  [Personal
observation/communication, N = 5;  yes.]

> *grin*  There have also been studies done that
> analyze human body
> movements with regard to this.  The results have
> been interesting.  I'll try and post references. :) 

I look forward to reading them!

Debbi
who paints her lips if she leaves the house, but only
rouges for special occasions, although office
appearances merit eyeshadow too  :)

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